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kimkim · Post by **kimkim** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:33 am

Hi, I have been looking into the pedigree of my dog and I keep seeing BRN and a # and NHSB and a # after some of the dogs names, what does this mean? I can seem to find anything by googleing

Thanks

Marjolein · Post by **Marjolein** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:34 pm

BRN is a "bloodline" number referring to this website: http://www.bloedlijnen.nl (Bloodline Registration Number)
Ususally these are mixes, not all though.
NHSB is the Dutch FCI studbook, it stands for "Nederlands Honden Stam Boek" litterally "Dutch Dogs Pedigree Book"
Can you tell us some names that are in there? Could be fun, maybe I know some

kimkim · Post by **kimkim** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:24 am

Thanks!
Here is the link to my dogs sire's pedigree. This is where I found those numbers. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dutch_s ... ?id=834326

Marjolein · Post by **Marjolein** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:16 pm

yes, so most are mixes, only Arno seems to be a dog with papers

Good working line Dutchies in there

Christie M · Post by **Christie M** » Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:34 pm

kimkim wrote:Thanks!
Here is the link to my dogs sire's pedigree. This is where I found those numbers. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dutch_s ... ?id=834326

Jett is a pretty common stud here. Who was he bred to to produce your puppy??

vneerland · Post by **vneerland** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:41 am

Hmm. I spotted a grandfather in Jett's pedigree, who is also a grandfather to my ancient dog. (Ringo,Mettler)
They must have used Ringo a stud until he was waaaay up in his teens?

Like "Arno" who appears to be listed as papered, but born in 1967?

His son Ricardo was born some 30 years later?

Marjolein · Post by **Marjolein** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:13 pm

vneerland wrote:Hmm. I spotted a grandfather in Jett's pedigree, who is also a grandfather to my ancient dog. (Ringo,Mettler)
They must have used Ringo a stud until he was waaaay up in his teens?
Like "Arno" who appears to be listed as papered, but born in 1967? His son Ricardo was born some 30 years later?

I didn't even notice, but those online databases can generally be filled out by just any random person...so....

Kristie E · Post by **Kristie E** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:27 pm

Could it be these are different dogs with the same name? It seems to me that when I look at the pedigrees, they don't put the dogs full name down.... or at least I am not recognizing it amid all the letters and stuff..

vneerland · Post by **vneerland** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:21 pm

Marjolein wrote:
vneerland wrote:Hmm. I spotted a grandfather in Jett's pedigree, who is also a grandfather to my ancient dog. (Ringo,Mettler)
They must have used Ringo a stud until he was waaaay up in his teens?
Like "Arno" who appears to be listed as papered, but born in 1967? His son Ricardo was born some 30 years later?
I didn't even notice, but those online databases can generally be filled out by just any random person...so....

Oh, don't I know!

I found one of my girls (Kwinny) mated to a dog (Ero) that she never met (as an adult)
And my other dogs that I found in there, were certainly not put in by me.

Kristie Elliott wrote:Could it be these are different dogs with the same name? It seems to me that when I look at the pedigrees, they don't put the dogs full name down.... or at least I am not recognizing it amid all the letters and stuff..

In theory, yes. But some distinct names are not recycled dogs, but recycled names.

Christie M · Post by **Christie M** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:05 pm

Marjolein wrote:
vneerland wrote:Hmm. I spotted a grandfather in Jett's pedigree, who is also a grandfather to my ancient dog. (Ringo,Mettler)
They must have used Ringo a stud until he was waaaay up in his teens?
Like "Arno" who appears to be listed as papered, but born in 1967? His son Ricardo was born some 30 years later?
I didn't even notice, but those online databases can generally be filled out by just any random person...so....

OMG - I HATE pedigree database! Its just makes me sad to see all of the classifieds of dogs being produced right now. I know that I will end up with many of them through the rescue

Hey Judith, in regard to Ricardo, do you know his lineage? I know he died at 14-15 a few years ago and that he and Whinny did produce quite a few working pups. Do you know who he was out of? I didn't catch the 1967 date on his "sire." LOL.

kimkim · Post by **kimkim** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:15 am

Christie M wrote:
kimkim wrote:Thanks!
Here is the link to my dogs sire's pedigree. This is where I found those numbers. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dutch_s ... ?id=834326
Jett is a pretty common stud here. Who was he bred to to produce your puppy??

My girl is from a JettxDynasty litter, April 2007. She is an awesome working dog!

vneerland · Post by **vneerland** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:14 am

Christie M wrote:OMG - I HATE pedigree database! Its just makes me sad to see all of the classifieds of dogs being produced right now. I know that I will end up with many of them through the rescue

Hey Judith, in regard to Ricardo, do you know his lineage? I know he died at 14-15 a few years ago and that he and Whinny did produce quite a few working pups. Do you know who he was out of? I didn't catch the 1967 date on his "sire." LOL.

Ricardo was out of a dog named Arno, who belonged to Tino Kleine Schaars. Arno was by no means FCI/NHSB. Just KNPV working stock. Arno's dam Tosca was out of an NHSB malinois who was born in 1978. Arno's sire (Nicky) was an mid 80's model. I do remember the ads that appeared for Arno, somewhere around the early 90's maybe. Arno himself would be a late 80s model.
I thought that Ricaro himself was late 90's but I am too lazy to look up my KNPV championship lists.

kimkim · Post by **kimkim** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:41 am

I just found another pedigree of Jetts and the dogs on his side all have BRN numbers, even Arno, which on my first link has an NHSB number. http://www.vonderearnhardt.com/Dorothy-pedigree.html

vneerland · Post by **vneerland** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:28 pm

A BRN number is not a registry. It is merely a valuable link to the dogs ancestors, but unlike FCI/NHSB, it is not a recognized registry. An NHSB (= Nederlands Honden StamBoek/Dutch dog registry) dog can be noted with a BRN (=bloedlijnen registratie Nederland/Bloodlines registry Netherlands) number for reference. But it has no added value. Dogs that do not have an NHSB number but who are in a genepool, can be traced with a BRN number when their background would otherwise be unknown. BRN is a good tool for KNPV breeders,

but no more than that.

Christie M · Post by **Christie M** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:07 pm

vneerland wrote:BRN is a good tool for KNPV breeders, but no more than that.

Also a nice resource for people trying to research various dogs and pedigrees. But as Judith said, its just a database of lineage. Anyone can set up a kennel and track their breedings.

Post by **Dutchringgirl** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:14 pm

Is Arko a popular stud? I looked Him up then found Marco, I knew Marco.

Christie M · Post by **Christie M** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:41 pm

Dutchringgirl wrote:Is Arko a popular stud? I looked Him up then found Marco, I knew Marco.

Arko has become a popular stud here in the US. There are many first generation dogs off of him, and now a LOT, LOT, LOT of second generation.

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