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No vs Leave It

Obedience (non-protection) discussion. We have broken the two apart.
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No vs Leave It

Post by TimL_168 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:38 am

An earlier post this eve got me thinking. How much/how often do you see any overlap between the commands "No" and "Leave It" in your own work& training?
Myself, I've noticed I'm using Leave It mostly when she's close enough for me to see exactly what's going on. I think I'm using No a little more often when she's away and I see she's keyed up on something other than me. In that situation, I often stack NO and Leave It a few seconds apart after calling her name. For what it's worth, I called her off a rabbit just a couple hours ago with a sharp NO after she'd gotten about fifteen yards into a chase.
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Re: No vs Leave It

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:51 am

TimL_168 wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:38 am
An earlier post this eve got me thinking. How much/how often do you see any overlap between the commands "No" and "Leave It" in your own work& training?
Myself, I've noticed I'm using Leave It mostly when she's close enough for me to see exactly what's going on. I think I'm using No a little more often when she's away and I see she's keyed up on something other than me. In that situation, I often stack NO and Leave It a few seconds apart after calling her name. For what it's worth, I called her off a rabbit just a couple hours ago with a sharp NO after she'd gotten about fifteen yards into a chase.
I never tell my dogs no or leave it! Ever!!! That’s what electric is for the dog gets a tap with the electric and it learns it’s behavior causes the correction not you! Then the dog never waits for you to say no or leave it and learns the behavior is undesirable on its own

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Re: No vs Leave It

Post by Dutchringgirl » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:49 am

good point Steve, but what about people with out Ecollar? I have a basset that I taught Leave it. I never use 'no" though. The basset knows leave it, Bassets arent destroyers but they will take and chew everything. I say " leave it" and she does. Back to the DS,

IN training for RIng, we had the collars, so we used them since in the trial ring, you cant speak, so we used them to teach the dog food refusal.

At home. it is "leave it" I wont put a collar on the basset. Sadie Learned leave it early on then learned what she could play with and what she could not.

I find "leave it " very good if you do not want to use a collar or do not know how. Yes, trainers are very important for this breed and they will train you and your dog how to work with one.
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Re: No vs Leave It

Post by Dutchringgirl » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:52 am

for pulling off a chase, it is what ever term you have for " heal" or " come" . Thalie and Sadie are French. I also trained them to recall on the whistle. That has actually worked great for thalie now that she is hard of hearing, although at 15, she is hardly chasing things anymore.
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Re: No vs Leave It

Post by Joxgirl » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:19 pm

I use leave it in German. So far it works. If she saw a rabbit, she might want to chase it but not sure. At this point, if she wanted to chase it, I don’t think she would “leave it”. It’s something that we will definitely need to work on. Don’t want her getting any little creature in her mouth.
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Re: No vs Leave It

Post by Kenda » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:56 pm

'IN training for RIng, we had the collars, so we used them since in the trial ring, you cant speak, so we used them to teach the dog food refusal."

I'm pretty sure Max has had food refusal training. The issue is how do i get him to eat from me while not breaking this training? We are still learning the full scope of his training. He is better than me, so at anytime, i can screw him up. We are in obedience classes now, more for me to learn how to communicate with him, not necessarily for him to learn the commands. Its funny though- he looks at me sometimes like i'm an idiot.
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