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What's this handler doing?

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What's this handler doing?

Post by TimL_168 » Mon May 08, 2017 1:01 pm

So, a friend of mine sent me this video from Twitter. He asked me if the handler was prying the dog's jaws open at the end of the video. I really can't tell. I didn't hear any "out" called out, so I'm thinking maybe the officer is shackling the dude. It seems like a lot of the videos I've seen on TV of police K9s getting a bite end up with the handler choking the dog for an out. Curious if anyone thinks that's just to be expected at that level of real world stress. https://mobile.twitter.com/Pamela_Moore ... 9060347904
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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by Patrick » Mon May 08, 2017 1:27 pm

Police dogs are notorious for not outing. Happens all the time.

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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by Dutchringgirl » Mon May 08, 2017 3:59 pm

the drive of police dogs is crazy high, even when I was doing Ring, we had to use the ecollar plenty when the dogs were so pumped they did not want to out. The guy was tormenting the dog to no end either. I did hear the cop say out but only a few times and he did not really work at outing the dog, I think he wanted the dog to hold this guy for a while. I have no idea what he was using to pry the dogs mouth open though, but it is probably safer than sticking your hand in there and having the dog re bite.
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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by TimL_168 » Mon May 08, 2017 5:09 pm

That's kinda what I figured. I had just never seen anyone pre-equipped with a specific tool for the job. That's why I wondered if he was just fumbling with some type of restraint. But it makes perfect sense.
Man, I wish I had the time and money for IPO or FR. I really think En would have some potential there.
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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by Dutchringgirl » Mon May 08, 2017 6:12 pm

I really miss FR, its tough on the dog though, I did not go above RII because of what is involved in training.
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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Mon May 08, 2017 7:38 pm

He's using a break stick to out the dog off the guys PANTS... that's a really shity gripping dog, dog took the pants and didn't even try and regrip that guy could have beat the hell out of that dog... that's embarrassing

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Post by Dutchringgirl » Mon May 08, 2017 9:26 pm

ha,yeah even Thalie re gripped. I dont think that handler was very good, he hardly tried to out the dog before prying his mouth open
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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Mon May 08, 2017 9:47 pm

Dutchringgirl wrote:
Mon May 08, 2017 9:26 pm
ha,yeah even Thalie re gripped. I dont think that handler was very good, he hardly tried to out the dog before prying his mouth open
Yeah it was ugly to watch

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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by TimL_168 » Tue May 09, 2017 2:14 am

How difficult is it to train for an adjustment? Is it more hereditary? En grips very well and RAPIDLY adjusts when excited but she'll get lazy when she's not in gear. She doesn't chew, either.
I had never heard of a break stick.
https://www.amazon.com/The-K-9-Center-B ... B004RU81VY
Well, would ya look at that. Nineteen bucks for a stick.
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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Tue May 09, 2017 3:25 am

its genetic for the most part but can be taught with good fondation... to me that dog looked like it didn't want to be in that fight... look at how he's holding the pants and jerking back.. a good dog regrips in to the bite and pushes for a deeper grip... if he would have hit that dog it would have pissed itself... it's sad to see

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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Tue May 09, 2017 3:26 am

TimL_168 wrote:
Tue May 09, 2017 2:14 am
How difficult is it to train for an adjustment? Is it more hereditary? En grips very well and RAPIDLY adjusts when excited but she'll get lazy when she's not in gear. She doesn't chew, either.
I had never heard of a break stick.
https://www.amazon.com/The-K-9-Center-B ... B004RU81VY
Well, would ya look at that. Nineteen bucks for a stick.
Haha the place that sells those is literally around the corner from me

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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by Dutchringgirl » Tue May 09, 2017 11:56 am

I have always seen dogs go for the better grip, even Sadie who has had no formal bite training regrips all of the time during play. It was a bad example of ..............well..............everything
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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by centrop67 » Tue May 09, 2017 6:25 pm

What took so long for these guys to take action?

He threatened a couple of officers, threatened the dog, threatened some more officers and then the dog grabs the pants.

Were these real LEOs, or some kind of security staff? I don't think there's anything remotely professional portrayed in that video.
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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by Dutchringgirl » Tue May 09, 2017 7:40 pm

I though that too, but I know they don't want the dogs to bite just for the sake of biting. It was really a poor display
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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by Patrick » Wed May 10, 2017 3:30 am

Some cops are too lazy to train their dogs. I'm not saying ALL, I'm saying SOME. I have the highest respect for MOST of our nation's law enforcement officers.

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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by Dutchringgirl » Wed May 10, 2017 12:57 pm

Patrick wrote:
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Some cops are too lazy to train their dogs. I'm not saying ALL, I'm saying SOME. I have the highest respect for MOST of our nation's law enforcement officers.
I don't know if its lazy or just has not had good training. We really do not know the whole circumstance, we only saw part of it. I have been around police training of K9 and the police are trained as well. They may not be competent on the street but we really don't know the whole story of what was going on there.
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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by racingiron1 » Wed May 10, 2017 7:57 pm

I agree that we shouldn't be making judgements based on a small video clip. This is outside the US (different rules of engagement, different laws, etc.). While it looks like the guy is flagrantly engaging the cops, we don't know what led up to this. Do the officers have a history with him (maybe they know he's not really dangerous, just mentally unstable, or prone to drug use?). Maybe the dog is trained to perform a takedown without injury?
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Post by centrop67 » Wed May 10, 2017 10:01 pm

Okay - it's fair to consider a different approach and training, but it does seem dangerous to all involved.

Did anyone see the comments? Everything from immigrant bashing, muslim hate, and drug wars. I guess those aren't issues that just happen here in the U.S.
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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by Dutchringgirl » Wed May 10, 2017 11:37 pm

nah, i didnt read the comments. they arent worth it, like much of social media, they are going to spew toxic crap.
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Re: What's this handler doing?

Post by TimL_168 » Wed May 10, 2017 11:53 pm

Dutchringgirl wrote:
Wed May 10, 2017 11:37 pm
nah, i didnt read the comments. they arent worth it, like much of social media, they are going to spew toxic crap.
Ironically, I considered including a political disclaimer in the original post. I was just curious about the lackluster OUT. I do, however, wonder if the dog was trained to go for clothing as opposed to the meat.
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