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Duke
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Tell us about yourself: I'm Keith, 28 years old born and raised outside Chicago. I adopted Duke, the Dutch Shepherd from a Chicago foster based rescue. Duke had an unfortunate first 2 months of his upbringing but he's been a prince around here ever since.

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What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Duke » Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:05 pm

http://www.adoptapet.com/dog-adoption/s ... mily_id=47


I'm just out browsing around [done so before] and it just seems like every dog is a Dutch now

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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Dutchringgirl » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:25 pm

its the brindle color. they get better results than saying pitt mix,
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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by CoraCorva » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:33 am

I volunteer at a shelter, and that's literally what they do. A lot of people will avoid great dogs, even if they're good with children, obedience trained, and housebroken, if they have even an ounce of pitbull. They shelter I volunteer at will do stuff like call all black pit mixes "Labrador retriever mixes", and called one white pitbull with two spots on her ears a "Dalmatian mix". You can question the ethics of it all you like, but the truth is, it saves dogs. People like hearing they have some fancy special breed - that's why everyone with a mutt comes here asking if it's a Dutch Shepherd. Cuz they want it to be something special - and pitbulls ain't.

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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:26 pm

CoraCorva wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:33 am
I volunteer at a shelter, and that's literally what they do. A lot of people will avoid great dogs, even if they're good with children, obedience trained, and housebroken, if they have even an ounce of pitbull. They shelter I volunteer at will do stuff like call all black pit mixes "Labrador retriever mixes", and called one white pitbull with two spots on her ears a "Dalmatian mix". You can question the ethics of it all you like, but the truth is, it saves dogs. People like hearing they have some fancy special breed - that's why everyone with a mutt comes here asking if it's a Dutch Shepherd. Cuz they want it to be something special - and pitbulls ain't.
That's complete BS that it happens!! People should know what they are getting into! When people lie about one thing I question everything they say! And not for nothing if they are getting a pit mix it should be labeled as such! If they are doing this on purpose what other things are they lying about? Dogs good with kids? Yeah ok he's also a dutch shepherd mix? Lol they get this dutch shepherd mix it attacks dogs then they say dutch shepherds are dog aggressive no your shelter lied and you got a pitbull! Or worse their insurance company wants a picture and says looks too much like a pitbull mix and boom you loose your insurance or fluffy goes back to the pound! It's not so innocent!

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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:27 pm

Ps no dog is more special because of the breed it's the temperament! I'm a professional dog trainer that works with several rescues and I call the dogs I have for training what they are! I've seen so many issues come from people lying about dogs being something other than what they are to hide the pit

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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Dutchringgirl » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:50 pm

Steve Gossmeyer wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:27 pm
Ps no dog is more special because of the breed it's the temperament! I'm a professional dog trainer that works with several rescues and I call the dogs I have for training what they are! I've seen so many issues come from people lying about dogs being something other than what they are to hide the pit
This could not be more true !!! There have been posts on here about people not having a clue of what they have and there are severe consequences !! I have seen major bites and death of cats because they think they have this cool dog but what they have is an untrained protection dog that does not know how to behave.

that could be negligence as well. Thats like saying, " oh,here is a lolly pop " but its actually a gun
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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:23 pm

Dutchringgirl wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:50 pm
Steve Gossmeyer wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:27 pm
Ps no dog is more special because of the breed it's the temperament! I'm a professional dog trainer that works with several rescues and I call the dogs I have for training what they are! I've seen so many issues come from people lying about dogs being something other than what they are to hide the pit
This could not be more true !!! There have been posts on here about people not having a clue of what they have and there are severe consequences !! I have seen major bites and death of cats because they think they have this cool dog but what they have is an untrained protection dog that does not know how to behave.

that could be negligence as well. Thats like saying, " oh,here is a lolly pop " but its actually a gun
If you have to lie or mislead anyone in life it's never good!!! Trust me I've learned that the hard way over the years with all aspects of life

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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Tennessee3 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:39 pm

Cause pit bull is a bad word to alot of people these days, including myself sadly.

I've got scars on my leg from a dog that was friendly, wagging it's tail, licking my hand, I went to the bathroom, and the dog eventually followed me in there and bit me with no provocation. (It's a longer story than that, but the main elements are there)

I'm not irrational in my dislike, I take dogs on a case by case basis, and I know a true well bred pitbull should be utterly safe even with an obnoxious toddler, but I wouldn't get one from the pound with unknown provenance cause of the experiences I've had.

And they're trying to save lives as they see it, would you lie to save a life?

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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:17 pm

Tennessee3 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:39 pm
Cause pit bull is a bad word to alot of people these days, including myself sadly.

I've got scars on my leg from a dog that was friendly, wagging it's tail, licking my hand, I went to the bathroom, and the dog eventually followed me in there and bit me with no provocation. (It's a longer story than that, but the main elements are there)

I'm not irrational in my dislike, I take dogs on a case by case basis, and I know a true well bred pitbull should be utterly safe even with an obnoxious toddler, but I wouldn't get one from the pound with unknown provenance cause of the experiences I've had.

And they're trying to save lives as they see it, would you lie to save a life?
Not if it puts someone in danger or someone's dog! So the lie works 99% of the time to save a life... what about that 1% where someone gets chewed up or the dogs dangerous in the wrong hands and gets euthanized or a neighbors dog gets hurt or killed! It's not worth it! Tell people what it is so they can properly be prepared!

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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Steve Gossmeyer » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:21 pm

i work with 3 rescues if you see my IG you'll see me training tons of pits and pit mixes! I believe with the right fit a dog can have a good home but to lie knowing you are lying about the breed it does 2 things it doesn't allow for the new owner to be prepared say they think they are getting a "Lab" mix and it's actually a pitbull and they take it around and do things a lab owner would do and dangerous situation happens or it give the dutch shepherd a bad name (which isn't really a bad thing) from people calling it a dutchie when it's a pitbull

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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Tennessee3 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:24 pm

Steve Gossmeyer wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:17 pm
Tennessee3 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:39 pm
Cause pit bull is a bad word to alot of people these days, including myself sadly.

I've got scars on my leg from a dog that was friendly, wagging it's tail, licking my hand, I went to the bathroom, and the dog eventually followed me in there and bit me with no provocation. (It's a longer story than that, but the main elements are there)

I'm not irrational in my dislike, I take dogs on a case by case basis, and I know a true well bred pitbull should be utterly safe even with an obnoxious toddler, but I wouldn't get one from the pound with unknown provenance cause of the experiences I've had.

And they're trying to save lives as they see it, would you lie to save a life?
Not if it puts someone in danger or someone's dog! So the lie works 99% of the time to save a life... what about that 1% where someone gets chewed up or the dogs dangerous in the wrong hands and gets euthanized or a neighbors dog gets hurt or killed! It's not worth it! Tell people what it is so they can properly be prepared!
I agree, but not everyone is so practical unfortunately when it comes to "fur babies"

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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Dutchringgirl » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:28 pm

Tennessee3 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:39 pm


And they're trying to save lives as they see it, would you lie to save a life?
No way ! because people do not understand what damage an untrained DS can do. So the kennel lies and the person gets the dog and the dog attacks
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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Tennessee3 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:33 pm

Dutchringgirl wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:28 pm
Tennessee3 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:39 pm


And they're trying to save lives as they see it, would you lie to save a life?
No way ! because people do not understand what damage an untrained DS can do. So the kennel lies and the person gets the dog and the dog attacks
Just presenting the mentality that causes this, not agreeing with it. Don't shoot the messenger :D

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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Dutchringgirl » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:36 pm

Tennessee3 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:33 pm
Dutchringgirl wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:28 pm
Tennessee3 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:39 pm


And they're trying to save lives as they see it, would you lie to save a life?
No way ! because people do not understand what damage an untrained DS can do. So the kennel lies and the person gets the dog and the dog attacks
Just presenting the mentality that causes this, not agreeing with it. Don't shoot the messenger :D
I wont shoot you... Ill send send my messenger ...........sadie HAHAHAHAHA

No , I do get why. I understand but I still do not think its the right thing to do. Its not like the complaints I hear about people who dont know about Basset hounds then get one, then they complain that they pull them on the leash, or dont come when called. But none of that will severely hurt anyone. A ds in the wrong hands will not end well.
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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Tennessee3 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:47 pm

Dutchringgirl wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:36 pm
Tennessee3 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:33 pm
Dutchringgirl wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:28 pm


No way ! because people do not understand what damage an untrained DS can do. So the kennel lies and the person gets the dog and the dog attacks
Just presenting the mentality that causes this, not agreeing with it. Don't shoot the messenger :D
I wont shoot you... Ill send send my messenger ...........sadie HAHAHAHAHA

No , I do get why. I understand but I still do not think its the right thing to do. Its not like the complaints I hear about people who dont know about Basset hounds then get one, then they complain that they pull them on the leash, or dont come when called. But none of that will severely hurt anyone. A ds in the wrong hands will not end well.
I'd prefer you shoot me, somewhere non vital, then send crack dog after me :lol:

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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by CoraCorva » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:05 pm

A lot of it has to do with shelter workers not knowing much about dog breeds, too. Two kinds of people know a lot about dog breeds in my experience: teenage girls and dog show folks. Plus, it's really hard to judge what breeds a mix is from. There was a study a while back that found people mistook non-pitbull mixes for pit bulls quite frequently. Blocky head, brindle, and everyone jumps to pitbull.

Anyways, I see a lot of people here getting worried about people not knowing what they're getting ("They'll unexpectedly get a dangerous pitbull or shepherd instead of the hound or lab mix they were sold!!!11!"), but that's not how the adoption process works. Aggressive dogs get killed. Period. The breed is really an after-thought for shelter staff, who advertise and counsel prospective owners based on the dog's personality and behavior. A gentle, calm dog that's good with kids will be recommended to families, while an active, driven dog will be recommended to a jogger who's interested in agility trials. You know what you're getting with an adult dog more than you would by adopting a puppy of a given breed.

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Re: What? How? Why do they call these dutch shepherds

Post by Joxgirl » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:41 pm

People should just not lie. In the end it, often doesn't work out well. I bet we have found this to be true. It often makes things worse.
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