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Re: DNA Test

Post by centrop67 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:30 pm

MJM wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:17 am
please let me know if it would be best placed elsewhere.
This is a perfect addition to the discussion. It's interesting for two reasons:

1. It seems that Viaguard does have DS in their database. It appeared that only Wisdom had it previously.
2. Their presentation of results are different, and somewhat ambivalent. One of the parents was likely a purebred, but does not contribute >=50%?

So, mostly shepherd with a little greyhound. Is she fast?
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Re: DNA Test

Post by MJM » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:22 am

My understanding of the Level 2 (one parent possibly a purebred) is that it can contribute more than 50% of the dog’s DNA, but less than 75% - and Viaguard consider 75% the cutoff to say that the dog has a ‘majority’ of one breed’s DNA.

Their specific wording is:
Level 1
This category is intended to help owners recognize when their pet's DNA contains a majority of a specific breed (75% or greater). If your dog has a strong match to one of our validated breeds, then it is categorized as Level 1. Most mixed breed dogs will not usually have a breed in this category unless one or both of their parents are purebred.

Level 2

This category reports breeds that are easily recognizable within your dog. While these breeds may have a strong influence on your pet, each breed listed makes up less than the majority of your dog's DNA, between 37%-74%. This usually means one of the parents was a purebred.

In Raven I would say the greyhound is fairly submerged. I can’t see it physically. If I had to speculate I would say it comes out in heightened timidity (although I’m still trying to untangle this from shepherd aloofness/protectiveness and deficiencies in socialisation during the critical period), as well as her being a ‘sprinter’ rather than an ‘endurance athlete’. There is no sign in her of the boundless energy often ascribed to Dutch Shepherds.

The shepherd I can see is her implacable protectiveness of our house and campsite (which is still at problematic levels). I still don’t know enough about drive to give a good assessment of what hers is like - but I’m learning all the time.

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Re: DNA Test

Post by Susannah » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:38 am

Oh, i really do have to test my girl. She is european line, longhaired and she has papers. I strongly believe she has nothing but dutchie in his parents and grandparents. Oh well, couple shorthaired in the ancestors so would be mal too i guess. Maybe.

Also no hyper or high energylvl here either. Quite opposite. But as i have been seeing, dogs outside europe tend to be more mixes with mal. And mal is hyper here also, every mals i have seen are fierce ball fetch lunatics and aloof with strangers with endles energylevels.
Dutchies i have seen here, and i have seen many short and longhaired, are more calm and submissive than outside eu where they tend to put more mal or other in to have that kick for protection training.
Here is almost nothing to try to do protection work if ur dog has no papers. And paöers u wont get if theres much mix in there, then puppies are not *pure* and have to register other register which leads still proplems with training here, why train cause u cant compete.

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Re: DNA Test

Post by Ozarks123 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:05 pm

centrop67 wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:15 pm
Leela is a GORGEOUS girl!

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Re: DNA Test

Post by NewlyDutched » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:54 pm

I got Bruno from rescue in 2015, I was told he was a KNPV Dutch but was skeptical and always suspected that he had some sight hound in him. I finally did the wisdom panel and nope, no greyhound lol. It looks like malinois, dutch, with a gsd great grand parent. So yeah, KNPV Dutch go figure!


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Re: DNA Test

Post by Mojoesterling » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:08 pm

I would suggest getting a couple more opinions by taking at least 2 other non-affiliated companies DNA tests as well. (“Embark” also recognizes the Dutch Shepherd) I would try Wisdom, Embark, & maybe a company that doesn’t recognize the breed. I would be curious to hear how close the results were.
That might tell you how accurate the results are by Wisdom. Has anyone tried this & gotten the same exact results? If there are any discrepancies, you might have to question the accuracy & legitimacy of all the companies.
If someone already has afforded this, please share your results:)

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