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icvanstra wrote: Lesson to learn - you will never WIN with a well bred Dutch Shepherd. You will be happy to gain their respect and get them to play the game. When they do OUT during the game you better be ready to reward because they will let you know that you didn't do it.

Something else I have found out about Dutch Shepherds - they don't take punishment well. Punish incorrectly and the DS will shut down. ...hopefully some others can expound on this point as well. Reward, love, trust and otherwise respect between you and your DS is generally the right thing to do.

So true...on both parts.
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I can really only say what I see in my pup in reference to what Eric said. But he is 100% right on the money I feel. What I can say is while this is very much an observation shrouded in shadows, as it's still being formed and Hendrix's behavior observed, I do see that he HATES being told no without reason. He HATES people trying to dominate. He HATES being given no choice. Here's an example:

We were visiting with a potential trainer (now referred to as a** trainer, or AT). AT gives him a raw hide chew of some sort, which Hendrix LOVES. Time to go. Hendrix growls when I say it's time to go. I kneel next to him and tell him he can take his toy with him. He growls but starts to get up. Now, one note here is that Hendrix has slight possession problems with things he loves, which we're working on. I reinforce that I'm not going to take away his toy and he should take it home. He lays back down for a moment. AT asks me a question, and as I'm distracted, takes Hendrix's leash from me and proceeds to forcefully YANK him away from the the toy and across the floor. Well, now, Hendrix and I are both now pissed. I give AT a few choice words as we leave. But even more importantly, Hendrix now refuses to look at me or listen to a command. He literally shut down for 30 minutes. Every fiber of his posture was mad and he was clearly telling me, "I blame you". Even getting in the car he refused, standing away from me and butt towards me. No amount of bribes, lures, or cajoling would even get him to glance my way. I wasn't going to force him, so I sincerely apologized, said his new toy was in his crate in the car, and that while I was sorry that guy was a jerk, we still needed to go home and it was his choice when to get in the car, I wasn't going to make him. I maintained slight tension on the leash, neither letting it go slack or keeping it string tight, but after about 30 seconds Hendrix jumps into the car and into his crate without a problem. I had to work to regain his trust for the next two days. But it taught me that he listens to me because he respects me - not because I force him - because he knows I value him. I give him options and he can make a decision. If it's the wrong decision, we redirect. I very much get a "why" vibe from him. "Why can't I do this?" he seems to ask. And I have to figure out a way of communicating why.

My relationship with my pup is still growing and defining itself, but I have quickly found out that any type of "I'm the alpha/leader" tactics by force or implication backfire with him. Our relationship is like any other relationship - set on ground rules, respect, and love. And food. Oh boy does he knows I control the food because he can't have any until he sits and is calm. But he knows the rules of the house (he may not like them, like "no eating surge protectors", his favorite zappy toy) and he listens now because he values me and he knows I'm not doing it without reason. And I also provide him reasons why he should listen other than "you have to because I'm the leader". They understand a lot of logic, more so than I think we realize. And secret bitter apple spray downs help a lot with what not to chew logic, especially if I meet that same need with a toy instead. He may still try me by testing to see if I'm REALLY sure about something (like sit for food) but as long as I stand firm he won't ask again.

I've also found I started talking to him more. If I'm doing something, like fishing a nice splintery piece of wood he somehow magicked from somewhere out of his mouth, I'm telling him "I know you don't like this and I'm sorry, but I don't want you to get hurt" as I politely shove my fingers into his mouth. While he may not understand all the words, he gets the tone of voice. It seems to be our main way of communicating; tone of voice. I boost him up when he's doing something good, and if he wants to be bad I've found a stern look and tone of voice work fairly well. We've gotten to the point where most of his corrections now are me redirecting his behavior and heavily rewarding good stuff with food and/or praise. He learned to stop nosing in the fridge by me saying "no sir" in a stern tone and starting to shut the door (usually by the time I caught the little ninja it was closing) and I was clueless until one day, he wasn't nosing, but sitting next to me. I'm sure very soon I will probably have to come up with a more pointed correction method for him, but I'm hoping by then our relationship will be stronger so it won't be needed very often.

This is just my sort of brief glimpse into what I see in my pup. I would love to hear what others have to say on the punishment sort. I am in no way an expert in it - just speaking about what I see in my dude.

As for the mental stimulation… Think about having a really bright kid in a class room. If you're doing 3 days of subtraction problems, and after day one that kid has mastered the concept of subtraction… what do you think that kid is going to do in class to prevent boredom? That's what a DS will do (in the most creative ways too). Anything that works their brain, makes them think, problem solve, and analyze is mental stimulation. So, yes, hide and seek is awesome. So is throwing kibble all over the floor to eat. Or how about tug with 4 different toys? Even a box can become a toy (besides a destruction thing), like treats for going through the box tunnel, or jumping over it, or how about an under over move? Going to new places, meeting lots of new people, ways to make old toys new and interesting again… Pretty much the more creative you can get (and fairly often with puppies, I think) the better off you are to stave off boredom. Which is kinda the fun part.

Those are just my half-asleep observations. In no way are they absolute truth! :D
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Kira, i think you are doing everything so perfectly - everything you describe; your opening story was so perfect in illustrating how they behave. talking is important. persuading and convincing - the WHY. they need to understand the point or at least think that it is not arbitrary or capricious - like abuse of power or taking them for granted. when you do it your way, you wind up with a dog that trusts you implicitly and where communication and getting the desired result is so easy - even in first time, unfamiliar situations.

the best mental stim is new places, new people, new and unexpected situations at home or away. so taking your dog everywhere is so thrilling and so educational.
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Kira, thanks a ton for the story. So from what I'm getting out of that, is pretty much don't be a bully. Treat him/her with respect and understanding, rather than trying to manhandle and dominate. Build a strong foundation relationship, and then build from there.

Let me kind of put a scenario on here, and respond to how I would handle it, and see if it's what you had in mind. And since this isn't a school paper, I'll just refer to the dog as "he" to reduce the he/she, him/her's that I would plague this with lol. So if I'm sitting here reading, watching TV, whatever, and I see the puppy say, chewing on a piece of furniture, I would tell him "No" in a stern voice, explain to him that he isn't suppose to chew on furniture, and offer him a bone or toy as an alternative. When he takes the bone or toy instead, praise him and tell him he's a good boy. Is that more or less the ideal way of punishment? Rather than punish per say, distract/educate and reward the correct behavior until that's the norm?

Now what would you do in a situation where there's not another alternative that can be offered? Such as, the puppy is getting in to the garbage can? I mean, I would still offer the stern "No. You're not suppose to be in the garbage." But what would you offer as a follow up or alternative? Or is it reasonable when there isn't one, to leave it at that? Now I know this is a totally different breed, temperament, etc., but when I had my Pit Bull, he LOVED the garbage can. Loved it like a fat kid loves cake. If I caught him, I would tell him "No. We don't eat garbage.", and feeling chastised, he would sulk about it, and I would ignore him for a few minutes while he'd sit there and contemplate why he was scolded. After a few minutes, I would call him over and we would play. After about 2 weeks, it finally paid off. He was INCREDIBLY stubborn about the garbage. But rather than move the can, I left it there so he would know he's not suppose to do that. Instead of taking away the can, and avoiding the behavior, I used it to train the appropriate behavior. Would anyone on here recommend using that same method?

What about in public? Like John was saying, I FULLY plan on taking the puppy anywhere and everywhere I go once all of the puppies shots are done. I've always been HUGE in socializing my dog. And besides, you don't leave your little kids at home alone, so why leave your dog if you don't have to? Whether the kid has two legs or four, they're still kids in the family. What do you do if the puppy/dog growls/barks at other animals or people? Obviously the "No" comes in, but would you use a light tug on the leash as distraction? Being aware of the manhandling aspect, I'm curious as to how others handle that since it seems like the majority of the people on this forum go in public/outdoor areas with their DS'.

Sorry for all of these long drawn out questions and things. I'm just trying to fully educate myself on the opinions and ways that people handle things with their own DS.
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''leave it'' is a nice multi-purpose command.
''for me'', ''mine'', ''for john'' -- mine all know ''for xxx''
bad behavior in public -- much recent discussion on this in WHATEVER - leash re-activity, e-collars, PRODUCT reviews - e-collars, BEHAVIOR - leash reactive, hyper-aroused
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Hey John. I've been trying to YouTube as much stuff as I can. I know, not the best source for information, but some of it I've found to be useful over the years. And I definitely like the "for xxx". I've never thought of that. As far as "leave it" goes, how do you start the training off for that? I mean, tell a puppy to leave it, and I imagine they'll look at you, then "get it" haha. And I know minor OB starts the day the puppy goes home, but what age do you think it really begins? The leave its, stays, down, etc. I know you can start with puppies, and have a few techniques I use for the sit and downs, but I don't think I've ever tried any "wait" or "leave it" commands at an early age. I've always rescued animals that were around a year old. And I deployed shortly after rescuing my Pit Bull who was 4 months old, and the wife wasn't interested in training him lol. So I'm pretty inexperienced at working with 8 week old puppies.
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Rob C wrote:
icvanstra wrote:Something else I have found out about Dutch Shepherds - they don't take punishment well. Punish incorrectly and the DS will shut down. ...hopefully some others can expound on this point as well. Reward, love, trust and otherwise respect between you and your DS is generally the right thing to do.
What do you mean by punishment? When I had my PitBull and he did something wrong, he would get a stern "No" and I would show him what was wrong. Like if he had chewed something he wasn't suppose to. But it was always positive reinforcement. He was never hit with anything or screamed at, or locked in a crate for doing something wrong. Is this what you mean by punishing correctly? Or how would you advice punishment techniques for a DS? Anything in particular like potty accidents, chewed furniture, etc?
To start IMO the crate is ALWAYS a happy place. Never to be used for punishment.

If you DS has the time to chew on something they aren't supposed to then you aren't spending enough time with them. Cino was crated until he was 4 when I wasn't home and willingly goes into his crate. After I moved I started crating the dogs again. It has been about four months and I'm just now letting them be out during the day.

He sticks to me at home. When he was a pup I didn't let him out of my site. If I did - he got into something he shouldn't.

Sorry, I don't have an exact list of what is incorrect and that is why I was hoping some of the working dog folks would help out - there isn't an exact list. An example though - if you were to get into Schutzhund and tried some of the over the top "training methods" they like to use to force the dog to do what they want. You will shut your DS down in a heartbeat.
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icvanstra wrote:To start IMO the crate is ALWAYS a happy place. Never to be used for punishment.
Ditto that. My dogs eat in their crates as well.
icvanstra wrote:If you DS has the time to chew on something they aren't supposed to then you aren't spending enough time with them. Cino was crated until he was 4 when I wasn't home and willingly goes into his crate. He sticks to me at home. When he was a pup I didn't let him out of my site. If I did - he got into something he shouldn't.
Ditto that. Case in point:
Tyson never chewed anything he wasn't supposed to while outside his crate until I had to go on an extended stay with my mother and left the husband in charge of the dogs. Let's just say my husband did NOT get an 'A' in "pays attention" and my garden shoes have nice "DS Bling" on them now in the form of holes. :|

Tyson does have an issue with chewing on the corners of dog beds that are in his crate, but over time I have noticed a pattern...it all has to do with exercise levels...or lack thereof.
Rob C wrote:Anything in particular like potty accidents, chewed furniture, etc?
The key here is to be aware and catch the behavior before it happens. As far as chewed furniture...the key is watching and redirecting. If your puppy goes for something he is not supposed to have, just redirect him to the proper choice. He will get it over time. Potty training...never "punish" for accidents. Go outside after eating, after drinking, after periods of play, and don't leave him unattended. Again, be aware...you will notice his potty behaviors.

2 very important things about potty training any dog:
1) always use a potty word when you go outside and go to the same area,
2) never confuse potty time with outside playtime. If you are taking your puppy out to potty and he doesn't go, do not let him coax you into playing instead.

Also...I bell trained Tyson...best thing I ever did. I hung some jingle bells from the handle of the back door. Every time we went out to potty [Yes...EVERY TIME], I jingled the bells and used our potty cue: "let's go potty!" In no time at all, he learned that jingling bells = potty break.

Here is a great blog from a behaviorist friend of mine on potty training: http://pawsthenplay.com/potty-basics-to ... not-to-go/
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Another great example of their independent mind and responding better to being treated with respect and understanding and the notion of "choice" and something being on their terms, not because it is forced being SO important to them...

Moko has this funny obsession with our stairs. Mainly because it is "forbidden territory" only Maiyou is allowed upstairs, as she has a good relationship with our cat, and upstairs is Bindhi's turf. Moko really wants to chase Bindhi and terrorize her, even after he left a claw cover in his nose last year as a pup. So that is her haven where she can be away from the dogs.

So he always wants to go upstairs.

If I put a gate there, he will launch over it. Guaranteed, if I try to physically block his access it makes him that much more determined to flip me the bird and go anyway. BUT, if I leave the stairway open, and just remind him with a "Leave it" or "Ah-ah-ahhh!" (in a finger-wagging, librarian looking over the top of her glasses, tone of voice,) when I see him stop and look up the stairs, he will turn away and entertaining himself with something else. He frequently will go look, and need continual watching and reminders, but he will respect the rule. But if I put a gate there, game over, he's going, and nothin' is stopping him. It's the difference between letting him make the choice himself to listen to my directive, and not giving him the credit enough to let him choose to follow my direction.
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Stacy_ wrote:
Tyson never chewed anything he wasn't supposed to while outside his crate until I had to go on an extended stay with my mother and left the husband in charge of the dogs. Let's just say my husband did NOT get an 'A' in "pays attention" and my garden shoes have nice "DS Bling" on them now in the form of holes. :|
:o OMG Stacy this just happened to me with my brother. I came back to my shoes having nice awkward holes in them. The response to my "WTH" question was, "I was putting on my shoes and he did that." :huh:

Rob, yes, that is how I worked with Hendrix. As a personal thing I only use "no" for "OMG that is soooo wrong" situations like when I turn around and he's halfway under the fence. I use "ah ah" or "eh" because it catches their attention. I think the first week Hendrix was convinced "eh" meant "freeze" because he would when I said it. But that's a personal choice and "no" works well too, just make sure you have a word for when it's bad. I seem to use a variety of words without thinking and Hendrix seems to know "hey" means "yo, dude, whatcha doing?", "eh" or "ah ah" is "okay I need your attention", "no sir" is usually a bit more serious but not wrong, like a frown, and "no" is "this is wrong." They learn fast. I also mark what he's doing wrong. Like, "No, we don't chew on the couch. Where's your toy? Let's chew on moose" or something. Then I also would shake the toy and move it around, therefore making it WAY more interesting than chewing on the couch. Sometimes we would play a little and sometimes not. I would just make sure whatever I was trading was of a higher value even by a bit. Also, as a side note, for wood chewing there's a company (called Puppy Stages or something, they're usually next to Nylabones) that makes chews that smell and taste like wood. When I saw he was going for wood, I would trade out with that. Also, apple bitters are great for the items he just wouldn't leave alone…. like the baseboards.

As far as trashcans, my one friend recommend putting cayenne around the rim. My dude won't go near my desk trashcan now. Though, if they bypass the pepper, I haven't quite figured that one out yet. For the kitchen, we have a trashcan that pulls out of a drawer. So when he hops up to investigate, first let him look, and if he was going for it, I'd start closing the can and say "no, we don't eat garbage." I also will put my palm in front of his nose, almost cupping his muzzle but not touching, and very gently start to push or direct away. He falls back to all four paws with that. I still mark why I'm doing it and redirect. Also works great for counter jumping attempts. I also try to implement a behavior I want him to do if I open it. Like counters, he will sit and stare at me now. He'll occasionally jump up if he thinks there's something he wants, and then I correct with a no and redirect.

As for the leave it… oh boy. This was a fun one and we still work on it daily. As a BTW, the whole trick where you lay cookies on their paws and they leave it? Yeah, my guy jerks the paw with the cookie on it and stares at it as if it has insulted him. Hilarious but not the same trick. Anyways, so how I started teaching it was sitting on the floor and holding a treat. I would show him the cookie, and then close my hand around it. He tried to get it. The second he backed away or stopped trying to get the treat, clicked and gave him the treat. Once he caught on the idea, then I started marking it with the command. I would show the cookie, close my hand as I was saying "leave it", and if he didn't go for it click and treat. Now, I did the next step two ways. I worked on duration and to mix it up, would also keep my hand open and only close around if he made a move. If you watch their heads, you can see when they're about to move and beat them. Though he did steal some off me when I wasn't fast enough.

As a side note, I use "uh oh" when I take the treat away in training if he does something wrong. Like when he was just not stopping trying to get the cookie from my hand, I would say "uh oh" and remove my hand. Wait a second, bring back the hand and redo the exercise including showing the cookie. "uh oh" still works as a "hey I asked you to sit and you didn't."

Once I was confident he had the concept, I moved to the floor. I would place a treat on the floor, say "leave it" and if he moved towards it I would cover it up again. They catch on quickly when they realize they are controlling it. We've gotten up to ignoring something for 30 seconds, and "leave it" applies to an assortment of things. Also, practicing with toys and other non-food items helps. Though with toys I always get this hurt, "but I LOVE that toy" look… so instead of food we have to play with the toy for a minute. Ironically, we practice his "out" this way too. So it's play, "out", pause, drop on floor, "leave it", wait and mark, and play, rinse and repeat.

As for potty, my guy is just learning the bells too. They are magical. I also taught him what each thing was, "go pee" and "go caca", but he learned to pee on command in like 3 tries… and would if you even spelled pee. It worked a bit too well. I never got mad for accidents, just took him outside and tried to get him to go again or picked him up mid pee so we finished outside. Consistency for that is best and until they learn only go outside, not saying the magic words. :?
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as to timing, my newest puppy arrived at age of 9 weeks. within 2 days - if told wait - he would not touch his dinner or a treat until told 'ok'. he also knew to leave other dogs' food alone [ also 'wait' command' ] until they are all given an all-clear ''ok'' as everyone was almost done eating dinner. til then, if one finishes early, he can't barge in on someone else til 'ok' - at which point they can all plate swap freely. so the new pup was food aggressive for his 1st day but fixed that by making them share, then respect each other's territory, then sharing again, etc, etc.
so train lightly - basic manners at the very least - from day one, but many say ramp up obedience training slowly. let the dog settle, get comfortable with you and new surroundings. i let the dog tell me how fast to go, i do not push except on manners w/r/t me, people, and dog housemates.
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They mouth alot. my favorite it how they just pick something up in passing. "hey that was there a few minutes ago". Slide under a bed with growl whine eventual give in and just pick up anything again. They don't learn they feel intitled to it.

I've had mine since it was 8 weeks and the stupid thing is I know it won't go away til it's 3 but I'm looking into getting a female in the spring from the same breeder. Their energy level is addictive. finally a breed that can keep up if not surpase me.

Stupid is doing the samething over and over expecting dfferent results.

Pass the bottle of wine forget the glass it'll just slow down the process.

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feraloup wrote:just remind him with a "Leave it" or "Ah-ah-ahhh!" (in a finger-wagging, librarian looking over the top of her glasses, tone of voice,) ...
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who has the librarian thing down pat... I use this mostly with Tyson when he decides to pester my min-pin. I am pretty sure that Tyson would eat him if I let him... :?
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icvanstra wrote:To start IMO the crate is ALWAYS a happy place. Never to be used for punishment.
Yeah I agree with that. I've never used the crate as a form of punishment. My dogs have always ended up loving their crates. It's their quiet little sanctuary where they can relax and have their alone time when they need it.
icvanstra wrote:If you DS has the time to chew on something they aren't supposed to then you aren't spending enough time with them. Cino was crated until he was 4 when I wasn't home and willingly goes into his crate. After I moved I started crating the dogs again. It has been about four months and I'm just now letting them be out during the day.
And usually I never leave the puppy alone. But if I need to answer the door, or use the bathroom, or something has me distracted for a few minutes, and THEN I see it is what I meant. And whenever I leave the house, he/she always goes in their crate. Usually at night when I go to bed too until I know they can be trusted to sleep outside of it and not terrorize the bedroom or myself lol.
Stacy_R wrote:Also...I bell trained Tyson...best thing I ever did. I hung some jingle bells from the handle of the back door. Every time we went out to potty [Yes...EVERY TIME], I jingled the bells and used our potty cue: "let's go potty!" In no time at all, he learned that jingling bells = potty break.
This is a genius idea! I'll have to go get some these. I've always trained them to scratch and bark at the door. But this will save me from having to repaint the door every couple of months :D .
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Rob C wrote:
Stacy_R wrote:Also...I bell trained Tyson...best thing I ever did. I hung some jingle bells from the handle of the back door. Every time we went out to potty [Yes...EVERY TIME], I jingled the bells and used our potty cue: "let's go potty!" In no time at all, he learned that jingling bells = potty break.
This is a genius idea! I'll have to go get some these. I've always trained them to scratch and bark at the door. But this will save me from having to repaint the door every couple of months :D .
I got the bells at a craft store (Michael's) and just hung them from a string. And the great thing about bell training is that he used his nose to make them jingle so I didn't have to worry about claw marks on the back door. :)
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Stacy_R wrote: I got the bells at a craft store (Michael's) and just hung them from a string. And the great thing about bell training is that he used his nose to make them jingle so I didn't have to worry about claw marks on the back door. :)
Yeah. Love this idea lol. I'm going to Michaels today and I'll braid them on to some 550 Paracord. Brilliant Stacy!
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