Mustang Training

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Re: Mustang Training

Post by borellar15 »

So one thing I would mention by watching the previous video not the new one. Aside from the excessive clicking the new video looks great but the previous one, once his butt hits the ground it should be click - reward. I noticed he sat a couple times no clicks he got up and had to reset him etc. as soon as his butt hits the ground click and reward. I saw the one time he sat and you waited a few seconds and then gave him the click and reward. By that time the association with the behavior is gone.
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I've kind of moved into needing him to remain in place until released more than obeying the sit/down. Thus, I don't reward him upon correction, but for remaining in place.

I probably could have waited longer for him to remain there as that is really what I am trying to achieve.

The excessive clicking in the second video was because he was being jackpotted for remaining in place so well.

He's 100% on sit/down when not stressed by the environment.

I just came back from a visit with the trainer, and we are going to start doing more walks in brand new environments to build his confidence. Not high stress environments, but new places, sounds, traffic etc.
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Bramble sometimes reminds in place after free. The trainer says that since free really means you can do what you want, its fine-she's doing what she wants.
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We've started taking Mustang to new places to try to help build his confidence in new environments.

More downs than ups, but tonight we had a good trip to the jetties of a nearby marina. He even did okay passing close to a reactive husky.

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Re: Mustang Training

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Damn snow dogs
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Re: Mustang Training

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TimL_168 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:48 pm Damn snow dogs
:lol:

I think they're a little out of place in South Florida, but there are a lot of them here.

In that photo, Mustang is actually staring at another one that was at the end of the jetties.
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One thing that helped Bramble was having sessions out in the lobby of the center during pick up times. Then the trainer brought his well trained dog into training and we worked heel at ever closer steps. (Remember Bramble was VERY reactive.) Then he brought in a sassy little Australian cattle dog.

Now, at least when she has the ecollar on, she can behave around other dogs. At least before COVID, she could even go to dog events. It was one of the big things we had to overcome before she could start service training.
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I know it's been a while since I posted here, and that has a lot to do with it not going so well :cry:

My trainer has been out of town giving SAR classes in Georgia, so we've been on our own for the last couple of weeks.

Our main goal while she was gone was to expose him to new places to try to build his confidence. Unfortunately, it's rare for him not to completely shut down.

There have been a few very positive days, but it does not seem to be progressing or consistent.

The places we take him are mostly low-traffic parks where we simply walk and ask very little of him other than no pulling on the leash.

Occasionally, I'll ask for a place on a bench, picnic table, or large rock. We also just chill out on a bench where I reward him for relaxed behavior.

I've also been working at least one time a day to reinforce the place-sit-down in the front yard or living room. He seems quite bored with that, and is slow to respond to commands now :eew:

I've tried to mix things up a little and even worked on some new training/games I know and did with Radar, but he isn't interested at all in them.

Hopefully, we can right the ship when the trainer gets back to town, but I am quite frustrated.

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Re: Mustang Training

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How does he respond to carrying pack? Do you think it might help him feel secure?

Also, could you funnel some of the nervous energy into work? I find Bramble does better in New situations when she is working. Having a purpose seems to give her a focus and seems to increase her confidence.
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Re: Mustang Training

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Ugh. Sorry man. I'm sure you'll find the right approach for him!
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Re: Mustang Training

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He already knows the place command. They can learn that very quickly. No need for food anymore and many repetitions. Incorporate this command in every day life now. He is commanded to settled down next to you be it wherever. Also what do you do when or if he ignores you ? Obviously I am not a dog trainer so don’t listen to me...lol
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Re: Mustang Training

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Mustang would all but refuse to walk anywhere without our other dog Leela alongside, but through a lot (I mean a lot) of walks in new places including high traffic cities, malls, and parks, he is starting to show a lot more confidence.

I know consistency matters, and I am happy with actually seeing progress now, It's slow, but the fact that things are getting better is encouraging.

The trainer had us bring him to a high traffic outdoor mall, and I recorded most of the trip.

It's not the most exciting thing to watch for most, but if you know the struggles we've had, it's actually pretty impressive the strides we have made.

The elevator ride freaked him out, but the 3rd time wasn't quite as bad as the first.

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Re: Mustang Training

Post by ladyjubilee »

I hadn't that of escalators! We will have to work in that.

He's doing great. Seems far more confident now.
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