Dutch Shepherd?

alspyce · Post by **alspyce** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:44 pm

Maybe more than one sire on this litter??? Looks like something tan & hairy in the back.

Marjolein · Post by **Marjolein** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:43 pm

alspyce wrote:Maybe more than one sire on this litter??? Looks like something tan & hairy in the back.

you don't need more than one sire to produce these colours in one litter

But hey, anything could have happened

vneerland · Post by **vneerland** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:07 pm

Sugars Mom wrote:Hmmm, interesting. I got Sugar at 9 weeks and they spayed her when I adopted her. I was quite surprised as I thought spay/neuters were done at 6 or 7 months old (and part of adopting from SPCA is mandatory spay/neuter). They said in Europe its been done early for many many years and now here in Canada we are just catching up on this kind of thing.

They lied.

It is actually the total opposite. People there, for a large part, leave their animals intact, even if they have absolutely no intention of breeding. Considering the fact that unfixed also has its health risks, I think that is not the best route either. At least one heat, maybe two for females and at least a year old for males would be a good rule of thumb, to let the hormones help create a balanced individual. But on the other hand; I have SEEN the utter mess that gets created by back yard mutts that reprocuce upon first heats and the poor pups that are the consequence. I totally understand that a humane society is not willing to take the average owners word for it (we will get him/her fixed) so I also understand why they do what they do.
But to make it sound like a common practice all over the world? Nope. Not so.

vneerland · Post by **vneerland** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:12 pm

Seeing mom and sister only confirms the GSD lineage. Mom is not a white GSD, just a light colored one.
The sister is just a normal B&T colored GSD. The sire must have been black or brindle, since the brindle pup cannot have gotten it from the dam (who is not 'white' and therefore cannot hide any brindle) No wait. The sire was not black.
Marjolein? Since you like the color guessing game....
why was the sire brindle and not black?

Post by **Dutchringgirl** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:55 pm

Thalie was spayed late because of Ring sport, the dogs must be intact in order to show. Sadie was spayed at 12 weeks. I can understand too the shelters not trusting people.

alspyce · Post by **alspyce** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:17 am

Sadie spayed @ 12 wks? Wonder what the chances are that it would have anything to do with her developing HD?

dutchers · Post by **dutchers** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:34 pm

Fortunately it is entirely our option if and when to neuter him. He will be 6 months on Nov 9th so we are thinking around then since he will be going off to a guard dog board and train program beginning of January while we go skiing.

What is a good intelligence/mind game you recommend? He is very smart and I enjoy testing him and he gets into training as well.

Post by **Dutchringgirl** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:00 pm

alspyce wrote:Sadie spayed @ 12 wks? Wonder what the chances are that it would have anything to do with her developing HD?

im not a breeder but I would have to doubt that. She had some ouchies early on.

Christie M · Post by **Christie M** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:16 pm

Dutchringgirl wrote:
alspyce wrote:Sadie spayed @ 12 wks? Wonder what the chances are that it would have anything to do with her developing HD?
im not a breeder but I would have to doubt that. She had some ouchies early on.

There are some studies showing delayed growth plate closure in dogs when spayed at 7 weeks, as opposed to 7 months as opposed to full adult. There are no studies (that I am aware of) that show any correlations between early spayed neuter and hip issues. I know there is some discussion of spayed females becoming obese and that effecting hip integrity, but we certainly know that is not the case with Sadie.

Marjolein · Post by **Marjolein** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:04 pm

vneerland wrote: Marjolein? Since you like the color guessing game....
why was the sire brindle and not black?

because.... the black is dominant, so there could not have been black and tan or brindled pups? Not entirely sure...?

I have met some "black" GSD that when examined from up close, did turn out to have some brown on the paws, and than they era a black and tan afterall, right?

vneerland · Post by **vneerland** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:43 pm

Marjolein wrote: because.... the black is dominant, so there could not have been black and tan or brindled pups? Not entirely sure...?
I have met some "black" GSD that when examined from up close, did turn out to have some brown on the paws, and than they era a black and tan afterall, right?

Correct.

dutchers · Post by **dutchers** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:04 pm

The litter and parents were taken from the owner and split between two rescue agencies central texas GSD rescue and second chance GSD rescue. Our's passed my request to them and sent our pup's dad photo. attached.

Marjolein · Post by **Marjolein** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:14 pm

yay, he IS brindle! How nice of them to send you a pic of the dad

Nice "open" friendly eyes he has

Post by **Dutchringgirl** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:33 am

Nice looking dad!

kchristy · Post by **kchristy** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:24 am

Beautiful dad, look at those ears

k9katet · Post by **k9katet** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:36 pm

Dutch's mom is not a white GSD. She would be all white if she were. She's got black on her face and a black saddle. She's a regular GSD.

His sister looks very much like a GSD too.

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