Re: Hello!
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:40 pm
Is that out of the KNPV training manual?Marjolein wrote:One holds the bumper, the other the pup, and try and toss it as close to the bumper as possible Or would they use a slingshot
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Re: Hello!
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:58 pm
I doubt it. The KNPV training manual, if there was one, would put the pup in the slingshot instead.Schlussdibusti wrote:Is that out of the KNPV training manual?
Re: Hello!
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:43 pm
Very nice pictures. 
And a great story aswell.
And a great story aswell.Re: Hello!
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:52 pm
I have a sorto KNPV manualvneerland wrote:I doubt it. The KNPV training manual, if there was one, would put the pup in the slingshot instead.Schlussdibusti wrote:Is that out of the KNPV training manual?
"Brave hond" ("Good Dog") Unfortunately there is no dock diving in the KNPV programm (yet...whaha)(kopietje gekregen van Jan, jaaarren terug...)
Re: Hello!
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:20 pm
Marj....WHAT!!! Slingshot the puppy!?! Geez! 
See that is why I asked how to do it 'properly' my dear.
Living in bubbaville, I dare not ask some of the hunters here how they teach their retrievers. 
I would 'assume' that with a pup you'd go shallow with a bumper, toy, etc and then eventually deeper water once the confidence is built. My question is how they get a dog not to panic in the actual diving pool that is the same depth throughout and at what point they introduce a dog to that pool? I still havent done an online search (that will be next) to learn more. Are there training guides available?
See that is why I asked how to do it 'properly' my dear.
Living in bubbaville, I dare not ask some of the hunters here how they teach their retrievers. I would 'assume' that with a pup you'd go shallow with a bumper, toy, etc and then eventually deeper water once the confidence is built. My question is how they get a dog not to panic in the actual diving pool that is the same depth throughout and at what point they introduce a dog to that pool? I still havent done an online search (that will be next) to learn more. Are there training guides available?
Re: Hello!
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:41 pm
Very fun photos!
I think we might need a Dock Diving category for future editions of the NADSR calendar...maybe a "We love to fly and it shows" poster or t-shirt for the CafePress store...
I think we might need a Dock Diving category for future editions of the NADSR calendar...maybe a "We love to fly and it shows" poster or t-shirt for the CafePress store...
Re: Hello!
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:58 pm
I can help make a slingshot...........oh, did i say that outloud??GSDNanny wrote:Marj....WHAT!!! Slingshot the puppy!?! Geez!
Re: Hello!
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:20 pm
I have some ideas on that myself, it involves an old tyre, 2 trees and a loooooong bungee cordDutchringgirl wrote:I can help make a slingshot...........oh, did i say that outloud??GSDNanny wrote:Marj....WHAT!!! Slingshot the puppy!?! Geez!
Re: Hello!
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:32 am
who would be our first test subject?? I bet Sadie would go far!
Re: Hello!
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:52 am
Also good for teaching horses to tie.Marjolein wrote:I have some ideas on that myself, it involves an old tyre, 2 trees and a loooooong bungee cordDutchringgirl wrote:I can help make a slingshot...........oh, did i say that outloud??GSDNanny wrote:Marj....WHAT!!! Slingshot the puppy!?! Geez!
Never thought about launching a dog!!!Re: Hello!
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:09 pm
see what happens when you get great minds together 
Re: Hello!
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:27 pm
Dock jumping is a ton of fun and what I love about it is that any dog can do it and you can take it as seriously as you want. I started in DockDogs with an 11 year old Lab who had cancer and he never jumped more than 5 feet, 11 inches. Pretty much just a straight belly flop into the water but he didn't care! He had tons of drive and thought he was a rock star up there (which he was). He competed until he was 13 and loved every minute of it.
When we got Ku in June we took him to an event 3 days later but I didn't even try to have him jump or put him on the dock as I wanted to start slowly and not overwhelm him. So we took him up the stairs to the ramp (each dock has an exit ramp where dogs come out of the water after they jump) and coaxed him down so he could see that it was water. Well, it became pretty clear he hadn't spent any time in water but he wanted the bumper so my husband tossed it out a few feet. His drive kicked in and he went for it, but he went totally under water and was NOT happy when he resurfaced. We expected this so my friend was on the side of the pool to prevent him from climbing out. So all we did a few more times is work with him to just get his feet wet and retrieve the bumper at the end of the ramp.
After that I took him to a reservoir where I could go in with him (nice sandy bottom where I could walk out a long ways) and he caught on pretty quick. So we began working in open water to build his confidence with swimming and then moved to our indoor practice pool (we are lucky to have a facility here that has a 40 foot long dock and pool) and first did the "Place and Send" method which is where you throw the toy out from the end of the dock, set your dog in the desired position on the dock, and then send them to "GET IT!!". For newbies is best to work at the very end first, only tossing the toy a few feet out and having them jump from the edge or from a few feet back. Then you gradually increase both of those distances. Once you have that down and your dog isn't hesitating at the end of the dock you can work on the "Chase" technique which is where you stand at the end of the dock, your dog sits/stays at the other end, and you have to time it so you release them and you throw it so they are chasing it in the air. This is the technique where you see the biggest jumps because it really motivates the dog to stretch and reach for that toy.
To build up for Chase you should also do some land training drills where you practice your timing and you build the drive for the toy. And you should choose a toy that is "special" and you only use for certain things. It only has to float and be non-edible. So much of this technique depends on the handler's skills so just practicing throws into a laundry basket or hula hoop is also helpful. All of this is the basis for Big Air which is the distance competition and will give you a foundation to move on to Speed Retrieve and Extreme Vertical.
We've been very lucky that Ku is somewhat of a prodigy. He has progressed every quickly...from not really knowing how to swim to jumping nearly 24 feet in Big Air and 6 feet, 8 inches in Extreme Vertical. There are lots of Malinois who are taking the dock jumping world by storm but since Dutchies are so rare there aren't that many. But both Druid and a dog named Jager back East went to the World Championship this year. It's a great sport for these dogs and Ku just absolutely loves it. Now the hard work begins and falls on me to better my skills as a handler and to condition him more since he was in pretty poor shape when we got him.
Sorry for the long-winded reply but I love to get people involved in the sport and I encourage you to go give it a try if there is an event in your area. Anyone is welcome to enter as long as the dog is at least 6 months old.
And I LOVE this:
There is a club in Texas and I know some great people down there and they have a few events each year. Here is their website: http://www.heartoftexasdockdogs.com/dockdiving.phpDo you know if there are any training clubs in Louisiana or east Texas? I havent done an online search yet but would be something fun for my dogs to do, and very low impact for me
How do you start pups out in training?
As for how to train a dog to do this...each dog is an individual and it really depends on the dog in regard to how quickly they will pick it up (or if they will even jump at all). We always say that it's more about toy drive and confidence then it is about liking water or swimming. That high drive can override their distaste for getting wet and they need confidence to jump willingly into a pool that can look empty to them due to the clear water.I would 'assume' that with a pup you'd go shallow with a bumper, toy, etc and then eventually deeper water once the confidence is built. My question is how they get a dog not to panic in the actual diving pool that is the same depth throughout and at what point they introduce a dog to that pool? I still havent done an online search (that will be next) to learn more. Are there training guides available?
When we got Ku in June we took him to an event 3 days later but I didn't even try to have him jump or put him on the dock as I wanted to start slowly and not overwhelm him. So we took him up the stairs to the ramp (each dock has an exit ramp where dogs come out of the water after they jump) and coaxed him down so he could see that it was water. Well, it became pretty clear he hadn't spent any time in water but he wanted the bumper so my husband tossed it out a few feet. His drive kicked in and he went for it, but he went totally under water and was NOT happy when he resurfaced. We expected this so my friend was on the side of the pool to prevent him from climbing out. So all we did a few more times is work with him to just get his feet wet and retrieve the bumper at the end of the ramp.
After that I took him to a reservoir where I could go in with him (nice sandy bottom where I could walk out a long ways) and he caught on pretty quick. So we began working in open water to build his confidence with swimming and then moved to our indoor practice pool (we are lucky to have a facility here that has a 40 foot long dock and pool) and first did the "Place and Send" method which is where you throw the toy out from the end of the dock, set your dog in the desired position on the dock, and then send them to "GET IT!!". For newbies is best to work at the very end first, only tossing the toy a few feet out and having them jump from the edge or from a few feet back. Then you gradually increase both of those distances. Once you have that down and your dog isn't hesitating at the end of the dock you can work on the "Chase" technique which is where you stand at the end of the dock, your dog sits/stays at the other end, and you have to time it so you release them and you throw it so they are chasing it in the air. This is the technique where you see the biggest jumps because it really motivates the dog to stretch and reach for that toy.
To build up for Chase you should also do some land training drills where you practice your timing and you build the drive for the toy. And you should choose a toy that is "special" and you only use for certain things. It only has to float and be non-edible. So much of this technique depends on the handler's skills so just practicing throws into a laundry basket or hula hoop is also helpful. All of this is the basis for Big Air which is the distance competition and will give you a foundation to move on to Speed Retrieve and Extreme Vertical.
We've been very lucky that Ku is somewhat of a prodigy. He has progressed every quickly...from not really knowing how to swim to jumping nearly 24 feet in Big Air and 6 feet, 8 inches in Extreme Vertical. There are lots of Malinois who are taking the dock jumping world by storm but since Dutchies are so rare there aren't that many. But both Druid and a dog named Jager back East went to the World Championship this year. It's a great sport for these dogs and Ku just absolutely loves it. Now the hard work begins and falls on me to better my skills as a handler and to condition him more since he was in pretty poor shape when we got him.
Sorry for the long-winded reply but I love to get people involved in the sport and I encourage you to go give it a try if there is an event in your area. Anyone is welcome to enter as long as the dog is at least 6 months old.
And I LOVE this:
Let me know if you have any other questions!I think we might need a Dock Diving category for future editions of the NADSR calendar...maybe a "We love to fly and it shows" poster or t-shirt
Re: Hello!
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:20 pm
if I'm lucky, I got a whole bunch of small ones to practise with in about 6 weeksDutchringgirl wrote:who would be our first test subject?? I bet Sadie would go far!
Re: Hello!
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:29 pm
Marjolein wrote:Whahaha, I have a picture of that in my mindGSDNanny wrote: How do you start pups out in training?
One holds the bumper, the other the pup, and try and toss it as close to the bumper as possible
LOL!
Re: Hello!
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:34 pm
can we fit all six at once? Flying Dutchies (Flying Dutchman)Marjolein wrote:
if I'm lucky, I got a whole bunch of small ones to practise with in about 6 weeks