Dutch Shepherd Forum

Ziva van der Chaotic has been bred to a Dual Certified K9. This is a Dutch to Dutch breeding. Pups are due December 7th.

Ziva is a very high drive female who loves to please. Her hunt and ball drive are extreme. She is very fast and agile at 60 lbs. She has a positive retreive and grips are full and calm. She is very social and sound environmentally. She will work all day long. Hips and elbows have not been done to date. Ziva is a very dark brindle. Papers, pics, and videos will be sent upon request.

The stud is for real and not a first time handler dog. He is very serious and extreme in all phases. Positive retrieve, will hunt until he dies, bite is full and crushing. Article search is something to see. He will find a quarto on a football field:) Footing and environmentally sound. He is a 70lb brindle. Pups need to go to working homes or experienced handlers. No papers on this import. Video will be sent upon request.

I have trained working dogs for 18 years as a passion not a business. All of my dogs have gone to police or military. I raise and develop working dogs on a limited basis but when I do they have all the gears.

Pups are 1000.00. I will work with law enforcement and military.

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I have a question.

Why do people breed working line Dutches without checking hips and elbows?

Agree with Dusty, why no hips and elbows? How would one know they are sound?

I have checked all my dogs until my wife's health problems. I love my dogs but my wife reigns supreme.

stillfan45 wrote:I have checked all my dogs until my wife's health problems. I love my dogs but my wife reigns supreme.

No offense, but that doesn't make any sense. At all.

IMO, without health checks, including hips and elbows, you shouldn't be breeding. Regardless of how well they're trained, breeding without health checks makes you no different than a backyard breeder doing it for the money.

I wouldn't pay a thousand dollars for a dog whose breeder didn't bother with health checks because of, what, the health of your wife? breeding dogs is expensive, which is why it should be done for the betterment of the breed. And if you're pairing up dogs without knowing histories, how is that bettering the breed?

If your wife's health is so poor that you can't have the dogs examined for health before breeding, how are you going to handle it if something happens to your dogs?





Having litters is involved and expensive, too. Probably moreso than a couple trips to the vet for health checks.

If you are going to breed, the dogs well being should be first, even before you and your own health. If health is going to come into play, then dont breed. Are you going to be able to raise 7 or so dogs with your wife having health problems?

If you cant put the dogs first, then dont breed until you can.

Was this an oops litter then?

LyonsFamily wrote:Was this an oops litter then?

I would guess not, judging by the wording of the OP.

I agree about the hips...being owned by my first Dutch with crappy hips....and a breeder who is breeding her father to it's 1/2 sister.........

Correction update:

The Sire's hips and elbows have been done and both are good.

Any chance of a recessive longhair pup?

Update on litter.

Mom went to PD here in Virginia. Three males and one female went to K9 homes. One female "the weakest" lol, went to a gentlemen who dose frisbee competition. I kept the pick male and 2 females back for breeding. One female is going to SAR and two have yet to go. Very pleased that these pups will be showcased in the years to come. That brings me to 17 for 17 on pups I've started and developed into working dogs over the years.

We have 3 males 10 weeks old that need a forever home. 2 are black with a white spot and one is brindle.
They have had their first shot. They are very cute. These pups are mixed DS and German Shepherd Akita

All the male puppies have been rehomed.