Is Corrine a dutch?

[mariosseir]

I found her on a shetler she is 2 years old. i m just curious if she is a dutch shepherd

[cordeliandemon]

the first photo of her sitting screams dutch to me, the second is a bit of an odd face angle to be certain.
i think a couple more photos would help alot, preferably of her standing up head on and a side profile to be sure, personally im already heavily leaning twards her being a DS based on what i can see so far

ps. shes gorgeous!

[mariosseir]

more photos of her...

[Raven]

I usually don't comment in this section, but I had to say you ended up with a sweet-looking little girl there.

Is her weight what it should be? What's her height?

(I don't see DS in her. Just a lot of cute.)

[mariosseir]

Her weight its not normal. She is too skinny but i hope in one moth she will be good. She was for 1 year in a shelter. She is around 18kg.

Thank you for the comments for her. she is so good dog but she still in a "shock" from the change of the enviroment.

[mariosseir]

Also what breed she could be? Someone told me that she has boxer or PitBull inside her

[Owned-By-Hendrix]

Hard to tell but she looks kinda DS... if you could get a side profile pic with her eyes level with the horizon it would help a lot. She looks super sweet!

[LyonsFamily]

She looks DS to me, but it's hard to tell without better photographs. A standing and head profile shot would help. Her rear looks really undeveloped and you might want to try swimming to help strengthen those muscles.

[Dutchringgirl]

something is not DS'y about her head but other than that, looks close.

[mariosseir]

More photos of Corine I hope they can help you

[Dutchringgirl]

Ill say she is a mix. What breed? There are thousands of breeds, many have brindle, many have big ears, she could be alot.

[Raven]

Have you been able to put a little weight on her since your last post?

It's likely the angle, but in the first two new shots, her lower spine looks...um?...flat?

How's she doing overall? Still a beauty!

[mariosseir]

Yes she took 4 kilos since then and we continue. In general she is very good but she is still scared when she see strangers. Also she doesn't want to play with balls or anything else we are trying to fix that but everybody says that she needs more time. Do you know someone who had the same experience with a dog from shelter? how much time do the dog need to become mental well?

[Dutchringgirl]

She sounds like my Sadie. Sadie was a rescue and was very thin and gangly when I got her. She was very young though. She had no drive what so ever and afraid of her own shadow.

She was very thin for a good year or so. She is a very lean built dog anyway. She is 4.5 now and at a good weight, but still afraid of her own shadow.

I would take her in town and let her listen to all of the noises, trucks and noisy things that go by. She would be startled by anything but after just exposing her to everything as much as possible, she is good now. I would walk in town and sit and let her just watch everything and things going by.

Saidies drive did develop, not sure exactly when though, around a year or so. Now Her drive is crazy high. Ball, prey, you name it she is on it like bees on honey.

It will take time, slowly get her weight up, that will help too. Just play with her, expose her to the world and see how she develops.

[Raven]

Have you been working on OB with her? And on focus--as in doing focus exercises? She may feel bonded/trusting yet.

When she seems distracted and unsure around strangers, you can launch into some OB that she knows, thereby redirecting her attention on you, with you marking/rewarding the desired behavior. If she's too stressed with proximity to strangers, move along a bit where you see her begin to relax, and then proceed with OB. You can close the distance with time as she succeeds incrementally. Set her up for success.

She may never be ball or toy driven, but you can keep trying as long as however you're doing it isn't stressing her out. Years ago, I adopted a shelter dog (no DS) who had zero interest in toys and play. She just wanted to hang with me, take walks, and cuddle. My present adopted DS, I was told, was crazy for balls but not motivated by food or toys/balls------and boy, did that ever change!

How do you train? She's not motivated by balls/toys, but is she motivated by food? Praise? Anything?

What gets her excited in positive ways? Negative ways?

Somehow, she's communicating her story to you, and you just need to know what she's saying.

[Owned-By-Hendrix]

I'm more tempted to say she is a DS with recent pics. If from KNPV lines that could explain some of the pitbull-like features. I knew a dude who once had a DS which looked very much like a DS/pitbull mix. Turned out it had some pitbull waaaaaaay back in it's lines.

As for recovering, depends on how you're working with her. She won't just get well by herself. She has to have confidence in you as a handler and her surroundings to an extent. Work with a behaviorist and learn how to slowly but surely expose her to new things and then scary things in a positive way. Work below her thresholds and make it fun. Think of it like a little kid - when they're scared you check under the beds and in the closets and slowly but surely build confidence in themselves and possible techniques to help them conquer fear that there are no monsters in the room. They don't get better by ignoring it or by shoving them in a dark room and locking them in (which would be going too fast too soon with a scared dog).

[mariosseir]

She sounds like my Sadie. Sadie was a rescue and was very thin and gangly when I got her. She was very young though. She had no drive what so ever and afraid of her own shadow.

She was very thin for a good year or so. She is a very lean built dog anyway. She is 4.5 now and at a good weight, but still afraid of her own shadow.

I would take her in town and let her listen to all of the noises, trucks and noisy things that go by. She would be startled by anything but after just exposing her to everything as much as possible, she is good now. I would walk in town and sit and let her just watch everything and things going by.

Saidies drive did develop, not sure exactly when though, around a year or so. Now Her drive is crazy high. Ball, prey, you name it she is on it like bees on honey.

It will take time, slowly get her weight up, that will help too. Just play with her, expose her to the world and see how she develops.

Thank you very much. Twice a week we do a walk in the city to discover whats going on here. Your post make me feel much better thank you very much

[mariosseir]

Have you been working on OB with her? And on focus--as in doing focus exercises? She may feel bonded/trusting yet.

When she seems distracted and unsure around strangers, you can launch into some OB that she knows, thereby redirecting her attention on you, with you marking/rewarding the desired behavior. If she's too stressed with proximity to strangers, move along a bit where you see her begin to relax, and then proceed with OB. You can close the distance with time as she succeeds incrementally. Set her up for success.

She may never be ball or toy driven, but you can keep trying as long as however you're doing it isn't stressing her out. Years ago, I adopted a shelter dog (no DS) who had zero interest in toys and play. She just wanted to hang with me, take walks, and cuddle. My present adopted DS, I was told, was crazy for balls but not motivated by food or toys/balls------and boy, did that ever change!

How do you train? She's not motivated by balls/toys, but is she motivated by food? Praise? Anything?

What gets her excited in positive ways? Negative ways?

Somehow, she's communicating her story to you, and you just need to know what she's saying.

Yes we are working on OB she is great student and probably she had learn some commands before the shelter. On September we will start agility. The trainer doesn't let me use the commands yet outside cause he wants to check her first how is she at the streets with the strangers and all this. She is motivated by the food. She get excited in positive ways when we do the ob at the house for practice and when I am like clown with her. In negative ways when she is working under pressure.

[mariosseir]

I'm more tempted to say she is a DS with recent pics. If from KNPV lines that could explain some of the pitbull-like features. I knew a dude who once had a DS which looked very much like a DS/pitbull mix. Turned out it had some pitbull waaaaaaay back in it's lines.

As for recovering, depends on how you're working with her. She won't just get well by herself. She has to have confidence in you as a handler and her surroundings to an extent. Work with a behaviorist and learn how to slowly but surely expose her to new things and then scary things in a positive way. Work below her thresholds and make it fun. Think of it like a little kid - when they're scared you check under the beds and in the closets and slowly but surely build confidence in themselves and possible techniques to help them conquer fear that there are no monsters in the room. They don't get better by ignoring it or by shoving them in a dark room and locking them in (which would be going too fast too soon with a scared dog).

Actually I have seen ds who looks more like pitbull than Corrine and the owners of those taken the dogs from kennels. So I don't know what to say about what her breed.We are working together only when I m at work she is with my family for a walk or at home. I have heard that if my dog get scared by someone for example I have to act like nothings happen. I have to ignore her and continue is that true?

[Owned-By-Hendrix]

I have heard that if my dog get scared by someone for example I have to act like nothings happen. I have to ignore her and continue is that true?

Tricky question. Depends on the context and situation. There are times like Lisa explained of going into town and just sitting quietly with the dog and watching things that I would be more inclined to not react to her reaction but keep an eye on the dog so you aren't pushing her over threshold, but depends on the situation. Personally I like to neutralize the severe fear responses via positive association before attempting to ignore it, and even then it's a case by case basis. When H was little he was positively terrified by bird feathers (no idea why) and would jump straight up in the air like a cat if he came across one. So I bought a bag of feathers and would place one in a hallway or in a room when he wasn't looking and would encourage him to go up and see what it was and treat and praise as he progressively got closer. Once I knew that his reaction of jumping five feet straight up in the air was no longer based in "OMG WHAT IS THAT THING?" fear, but rather his own derp-y version of the hibby jibbies, I started ignoring his reaction and kept walking. He learned that yes, feathers are rather terrible things, but you can walk around them and they won't bite. Again, depends on the dog, level of bonding, response to the specific stimuli, and the context.

Either way part of the recovery beyond teaching her that scary things don't always need to be reacted to with aggression/snarls/bites is teaching her that you are watching out for her and no harm will come to her while you are together (trust in other words). If she has a very good bond there are times when ignoring can be beneficial as ideally she would look for your reaction and go, "oh, he's not responding, I guess it's okay". There's also the theory that ignoring the behavior makes it less likely to occur since there's no reaction from you to mark it as good or bad. To this I say depends on the WHY she's reacting. If it's out of fear it won't matter that you didn't react; what will is if her reacting made the thing go away or not.