Strange wording

[alspyce]

I was reading an article last night and this sentence struck me as being very backward.

"Research has also shown that grass-fed beef is lower in saturated fat and higher in Omega-3's than traditional beef."

Wondering at what point in time "grass-fed beef" became non traditional. Isn't that how we originally raised our meat on ranches, before feed lots and the steroids and the need for antibiotics because overcrowding caused diseases in the animals?

Got me thinking about the craze over "organic" produce also---and the very high cost now days, of trying to eat healthy the way my Grandparents did as their normal way of life!

Also got me thinking about when, after 100's of years of living with us, did someone decide dogs are healthier eating kibble, instead of what nature intended. I've yet to see even the smartest dog learn to build a fire and cook its own rabbit.

[vneerland]

The gras fed beef statement is indeed pretty funny, if you think about it.
The kibble? May not be natural, but I have yet to see a wolf or a coyote (for example) with a glossy "Eukanuba" (just picked a brand name, but insert any premium food) coat. I personally do not believe that kibble is always bad, and evil. Good quality dry food is formulated to contain all the needed ingredients. "Todays catch" might not be as balanced. Not saying I have anything against raw food, but I do not endorse the notion that you are cruel to your dog if you don't feed raw. My kibble fed kennel does very well and would compete, in health, performance and looks, with any raw fed dog out there. And I feel pretty darn sure that I am not missing anything on the list of their needs. (Though they also enjoy my table scraps, something that they have shared with early man from the moment of their alliance with us)

[Sugars Mom]

I was reading an article last night and this sentence struck me as being very backward.

"Research has also shown that grass-fed beef is lower in saturated fat and higher in Omega-3's than traditional beef."

Wondering at what point in time "grass-fed beef" became non traditional. Isn't that how we originally raised our meat on ranches, before feed lots and the steroids and the need for antibiotics because overcrowding caused diseases in the animals?

I agree, this does seem very backward. What is this world coming to? Cows that don't eat grass, dogs that Do eat grass - not saying any names Sugar : )

[Marjolein]

Cows that don't eat grass, dogs that Do eat grass - not saying any names Sugar : )

[alspyce]

I agree Judith, that basically not all kibble foods are horrible, and I too fed lots of it when I had a bunch of dogs. They lived long, basically healthy lives, and I may go back to that at some point, but for now the raw is working here.
My biggest concerns with kibble are the excess weight, (if you feed what the bag recommends for your dogs weight, which is what they need to eat in order to get in all the nutrition required) and the rapid growth rate it seems to produce in the pups. Also the ingredients/manufacturing methods used/and all the recalls. I just haven't seen anything lately that I feel confident in. Orijen--Maybe--but still, the price!!!
When I fed kibble, I was never able to feed the "recommended" amounts and keep them lean--even with lots of exercise.

[Sugars Mom]

When I fed kibble, I was never able to feed the "recommended" amounts and keep them lean--even with lots of exercise.

Isn't that partly them wanting you to use more of the product? Like it says on shampoo bottle, put in hair, rinse, repeat. Who actually repeats?

[vneerland]

Isn't that partly them wanting you to use more of the product? Like it says on shampoo bottle, put in hair, rinse, repeat. Who actually repeats?

I do.
(I think the repeat is useful if you don't wash your hair every day)

[alspyce]

Isn't that partly them wanting you to use more of the product? Like it says on shampoo bottle, put in hair, rinse, repeat. Who actually repeats?

I do.
(I think the repeat is useful if you don't wash your hair every day)

Me tooo---even the dogs get the repeat! Must be the OCD (people kind).

[Sugars Mom]

ok, well if you wash your hair every day, thats 7 times, but if you wash twice every other day, thats going to be about the same amount of shampoo used...makes sense.

Dogs can get really dirty and repeats seem logical when washing them...and shampooing is not a daily thing with them either.

I don't repeat my shampoo and it works just fine. I even tear the dryer sheets in half and they work just as good as a full sheet. I still think manufacturers want you to use more of their product then is really neccessary (in most instances). Just my 2 cents : )

[vneerland]

I even tear the dryer sheets in half and they work just as good as a full sheet. I still think manufacturers want you to use more of their product then is really neccessary (in most instances). Just my 2 cents : )

Half sheets in the dryer? Really? Why have I never tried that yet?
I agree that we are being programmed to use (more) That's a manufacturers bottom line, after all.

[Dutchringgirl]

I even tear the dryer sheets in half and they work just as good as a full sheet. I still think manufacturers want you to use more of their product then is really neccessary (in most instances). Just my 2 cents : )

Half sheets in the dryer? Really? Why have I never tried that yet?
I agree that we are being programmed to use (more) That's a manufacturers bottom line, after all.

I have always torn the dryer sheets in half, I use half the amount of detergent, its all a scam !

So, if I wash Thalie twice a year, do I have to shampoo her 50 times?

[Sugars Mom]

Well, the shampoo company will say sure...But I say no!

[Isis]

Here's an angle you may not have tried....if you let the shampoo sit on the dog, fully lathered ('cept the face!) for 5 or 10 minutes, it has a chance to break up the dirt and oils before rinsing. This method is very effective when bathing very dirty dog! It takes a bit of patience, but saves on shampoo and water...

[Marjolein]

what the >BEEP< is a dryer sheet?!

[Marjolein]

Well, the shampoo company will say sure...But I say no!

I say yes, and we need a video of it

[vneerland]

what the >BEEP< is a dryer sheet?!

Wasverzachter. In the form of a 25x15cm piece of 'fabric' that is heavily scented, and that gets put in the dryer along with the clothes. I know you have them over there, but they are not popular?

Here's an angle you may not have tried....if you let the shampoo sit on the dog, fully lathered ('cept the face!) for 5 or 10 minutes, it has a chance to break up the dirt and oils before rinsing. This method is very effective when bathing very dirty dog! It takes a bit of patience, but saves on shampoo and water...

I have tried it a few times. Put the dog in the run, and pull the door behind you and go on to the next dog, while lettng the first one 'sit'. Not as tempting when you need to hold the unwilling victim for 10 minutes. And I would still rinse and wash again.

And yes Marjolein, b4 you are tempted to say something ....we wash our dogs over here. If not a lot, we are pretty proud of the fact that we actually clean them more than once in their lives (after they rolled in dead fish or something)
Heheh. Sorry. Could not resist, but oodels of people over in Europe think a dog never ever needs a bath. And I usually beg to differ. *snif, snif*

[alspyce]

Yes--I remember one of my Rotti breeders(German lady), very seriously telling me, "You must never bath the Rottweiler!" Which is of course, the first thing I do when I get home with any new dog. (Gotta be careful about bringing in those unwanted critters.)

[vneerland]

Yes--I remember one of my Rotti breeders(German lady), very seriously telling me, "You must never bayz ze Rottweileh!" Which is of course, the first thing I do when I get home with any new dog. (Gotta be careful about bringing in those unwanted critters.)

Could not resist. I had to add a German accent for that one.
It is a know fact, however, that you can also not feed them after mignight. And indeed, God only knows what happens if they get wet!

Aren't we nicely off topic by now?

[Dutchringgirl]

I should fit in nicely in Europe, I bathe them about twice a year, motley because time is an issue. And every weekend Thalie goes biking with me and rolls in the dirt or what ever nice thing she can find. I figure the lake and pool are washing enough.

[vneerland]

I should fit in nicely in Europe, I bathe them about twice a year, motley because time is an issue. And every weekend Thalie goes biking with me and rolls in the dirt or what ever nice thing she can find. I figure the lake and pool are washing enough.

Twice a year is a LOT more than never! (Because many in Europe really really mean 'never' as in: not in a lifetime-never)