Oklahoma

[kellyesuzette]

I'm looking to purchase a DS puppy. I've only found one kennel in Oklahoma, and the things I've read about it haven't been good. Does anyone know anywhere else in Oklahoma that I can buy a puppy?

[LyonsFamily]

What are you looking for in a dog? Any specific lines or sport work needs? There aren't a lot of DS breeders in the states, so you're probably going to have to search outside of Oklahoma to get a good selection, but if we know what you're looking for, we might be able to suggest some nearby kennels to check out. NADSR has rescues all over the place, some they don't even have time to list, so you might want to put in an application with them as well to get a rescue dog.

[kellyesuzette]

Hey LyonsFamily. Thanks for replying I own a DS by accident. Someone found her and gave her to us 2 years ago & we just recently discovered her breed. Even the vet didn't know what she is. It's really cool to see that there are other dogs out there that look & act like her. We thought she was one of a kind. I've never seen a dog that can jump as high as she can! Now that we know we can buy dogs like her, we want more! So, I don't care too much about pedigree or papers. Our puppy will just be a pet & a hunting dog with plenty of room in the country & 2 little boys to play with.
I was excited to find a breeder about an hour from me, but I've read a lot of bad things about her, & just from a phone call & a few emails, she seems shady & greedy. I want to do business with someone honest & fair.

[anniewang83]

if you're looking for an awesome pet and you don't care about pedigree or papers, then I highly suggest that you adopt. Many of us got our DS through NADSR, the North America Dutch Shepherd Rescue, which is an amazing organization full of hard working, dedicated people. They have great dogs of all ages. Please fill out an adoption form and they can let you know if anything comes up.
https://www.facebook.com/NADSR.DSRescue
http://www.dutchshepherdrescue.org/
Who knows, maybe you'll be lucky and get a puppy from NADSR before you can find a breeder that has a litter planned! Also, rescue is MUCH cheaper and you can SAVE A LIFE!

[LyonsFamily]

if you're looking for an awesome pet and you don't care about pedigree or papers, then I highly suggest that you adopt. Many of us got our DS through NADSR, the North America Dutch Shepherd Rescue, which is an amazing organization full of hard working, dedicated people. They have great dogs of all ages. Please fill out an adoption form and they can let you know if anything comes up.
https://www.facebook.com/NADSR.DSRescue
http://www.dutchshepherdrescue.org/
Who knows, maybe you'll be lucky and get a puppy from NADSR before you can find a breeder that has a litter planned! Also, rescue is MUCH cheaper and you can SAVE A LIFE!

Thanks Annie! I was just going to post that. NADSR is wonderful. I found my boy through one of their courtesy postings and they've pulled so many dogs from our local shelter.

Also to the OP, getting a slightly older dog or one that has been tested in foster care for a bit is a better option if you're just looking for a family companion. Dutch Shepherds are dogs that need JOBS. I'm not sure what animals you hunt and how a DS could fit into that, but they need serious exercise in order to be happy, especially around children. Most breeders breed working dogs that are little monsters until they're fully trained and even after need constant work. You probably lucked out with your current dog, but finding one that will be happy not doing anything really structured is going to be very difficult if you're looking for a puppy.

If you are set on going the breeder route, you really do need to understand bloodlines and such to know what dogs will fit into your life. There are quite a few breeders that will not give you a puppy unless it's going to a sport home, some even require that the sport be bitework. FCI dogs are going to be easier to handle, as opposed to many of the KNPV working lines, but even then, some dogs are just too much dog if they don't have an outlet like bitework.

[kellyesuzette]

I would consider a hunting a sport The dog would learn to retrieve and track. That is what my husband wants him for. I don't hunt. I want a companion for our other DS, Possum, & I want one for protection. My kids & I are home alone a lot. Our Possum girl is very sweet & timid until a stranger tries to get in the yard. Then she turns into a wolf/hyenna. It would be great to have 2 dogs watching the house.

[LyonsFamily]

Hunting is a sport, and it's a great one. I have 4 English setters that I grew up with that live at my parents' house now. They all bird hunt. With the way hunting seasons go, they're only active out in the field a few months out of the year, and that would never be enough for Odin, it's not enough even for the setters. I still compete with the young ones in obedience and they're starting nosework now that I'm moving closer and have more time to dedicate.

I wasn't saying hunting wasn't a sport, just that it's not something that a DS was bred for. I'm sure it's doable, but there are so many other breeds out there that are better at it and can still provide companionship and won't have the high drive needs a DS does. I have a friend that hunts with a Border Collie because that was the family dog at the time and he needed a partner in the field. It's a different style of hunting than most bird dogs, and he can't do group hunts because no other hunters use herding dogs and the dogs don't work together in the right way.

You also have to take into account bite inhibition. Retrieval dogs, your labs, retrievers, and even pointers and setters, all have much softer bites which make working for a hunter a good option. If you're retrieving birds, the feathers fall out in the mouths if the dog doesn't hold it properly, which can lead to more stress on the dog and more mouthing. Working dogs have much stronger bites. I don't know a single DS breeder out there that would ever breed for a soft bite and that's what you should be looking for in a hunting dog.

Pretty much every one on here has described their DS as destroying things like balls while fetching or playing and we have to get more durable toys to last longer. Mine can destroy a black kong in about 3 months. The setters won't even chew on it because it's too hard and gives back to their bite. Hunted animals aren't very durable at all and they might get destroyed in a Dutch Shepherd's mouth.

While I'm partial to setters and pointers for hunting, Plott hounds and curs come in brindle and can also be suited for the job and you can find greyhounds still working in the field. I'm not trying to sound elitist at all and discourage a possible good owner from getting a DS, it just seems like you're interested in getting a matching dog to your current one and trying to make it do what you're looking for, rather than getting a dog that will be a better match, but look different. I've seen too many dogs come through rescue from owners that really weren't interested in the high drive dog lifestyle and I like to take the time and warn owners of the high demand these dogs really are.

Any dog can be protective and bark at strangers. It's very easy to teach a bark command and if Possum is already alerting to them in your yard, it's probable that another dog will pick that up in no time. Plus, just the look of 2 dogs in the yard is threatening.

The 4 setters would never hurt a fly and would probably invite a robber in for tea and cookies, but they put up a mean front as a pack and ward off anyone even thinking about coming inside uninvited.

[kellyesuzette]

Interesting.... I still really want another DS, but it seems close to impossible to get one. Possum is such a good dog, it's sad that more families can't have dogs like her.

[Just Ducky]

On the topic of hunting dogs, if you decide not to get another DS you might consider a Brittany Spaniel. They are wonderful and you wouldn't have too much trouble finding a breeder in Oklahoma. My grandfather used to hunt with pointers but he went out with a friend who had a Brittany one day that little dog impressed him so much that when he came home he told my grandmother that he was getting one. They're all he bought from then on. =)

[kellyesuzette]

Thanks ducky

[johninny]

it does sound like your DS really is not at all typical [ that you REALLY did luck-out !!], so be careful about assuming ANY other DS will be such a good match, particularly with 2 little boys. just wanted to have this statement already put forth above standing by itself because it is very important. it sounds like you do have a fluke among DSs that would be almost impossible to duplicate. if you are set on a DS, then look for a rescued DS or even better a DS MIX that is old enough where you and its keepers [ a foster is best ] can have a chance of determining whether it is calm and safe enough to fit with your children, etc. [ no matter what, ANY DS or close mix will be plenty protective in the right situation -- so it is simply a matter of avoiding other problems .] and a DS mix is more likely to give you the traits you like while softening the sharp edges of the DS personality that could well be problematic.

[johninny]

oh, good luck. keep us informed of your hunt. AND WE WOULD ALL LOVE TO SEE PHOTOS OF YOUR MAGICAL DS. we do love them regardless of our discouraging-sounding tone.
[ I have a total fluke of a DS that sounds like yours. but he is probably 1 in a thousand. I was NOT looking for that, but he needed my help because he was so lacking in the types of drive that DS owners want that he was left to die; yet he would tear a dangerous intruder to shreds and then turn back to be a total mush. he is great out on the trail ''hunting''. he is EXACTLY what you want, but SO unusual that I know you will not find unless I give you mine.

[Dutchringgirl]

I will agree that if you do not care about pedigree to adopt, but be careful though, its a crap shoot, especially if you have kids. I adopted Sadie and even though she is super with the kids, there are times where she dosnt want to be bothered. My other DS, Thalie, was an import from great bloodlines and I would trust her with a toddler all over her. Each one is sooooooo different. A pup would be better though so they could be raised with the children, an older one may already have decided they dont like kids and you could have more problems.

[Ted Summers]

I'm in Tulsa. I got my guy from Mose up in Topeka KS. Great guy, great dogs, great program. You're right to steer away from the central OK kennel......

That being said there is a kennel in south Dallas that has some badass dogs. The PSA guys in Dallas would be able to point you to them (Kerry, Dewon, Kai). I know they have a litter of Mali's on the ground in a few weeks and Mose just had a litter up in Topeka of Mali's too.

I had my mali flown in from Reidsville NC, and can't say enough good things about them or the dog. Don't be afraid to look around (far and wide) for a kennel that meets your requirements. If my Dutchie hadn't worked out from Mose I was going to drive home and call a kennel in Washington state and have a pup flown in the next day.

[k9katet]

Good job doing your research on kennels!!!!!

[kellyesuzette]

It's good to know that finding a good DS is hard. I just assumed Possum was such a great dog because of her breed. Maybe she is one of a kind after all. About how much does it cost to have a puppy shipped?

[Ted Summers]

I paid $275 for shipping from NC on my Mali and was quoted $300 from a kennel in Washington state

[dayla]

Just wondering about breeder in OK that seems to have bad rep. Are dogs of poor quality or is it a problem with breeders business practices. Have a feeling my pup is connected. Did not purchase there but parents may have been from there. We r very happy with puppie but am new to ds dogs so may not realize there is an issue.
Thanks. Dayla. From illinois

[LyonsFamily]

Just wondering about breeder in OK that seems to have bad rep. Are dogs of poor quality or is it a problem with breeders business practices. Have a feeling my pup is connected. Did not purchase there but parents may have been from there. We r very happy with puppie but am new to ds dogs so may not realize there is an issue.
Thanks. Dayla. From illinois

There was a past discussing about a kennel in Oklahoma if it at all helps. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=177

There's a lot of info about pups that came from there with mixed reviews on here and pedigree database. We also have a member on here that was happy with the business side of things, but the pup came under-socialized but is turning out quite well in the new home. I've never dealt with them personally, so I can only point out to analyse what other's have said, how the website comes across, and how the kennel owner seems to respond to negative posts if you're looking to assess the kennel.

If it isn't this kennel, type in the kennel name in the search feature on this forum and see if there are any topics about them.

[spider]

Are you still looking for a DS in Oklahoma ?