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[bannerd]

I saw this today;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ZIGHkGF-M

Kind of upset about the video.. I really have to say it's crap. In my house my dog is pretty aggressive towards strangers. He stays that way until I shake hands with the person or tell him to zip it. Outside if someone came up to me he would never bark and would never attack them. He's loving and loves the nose butt things. There was a few things that really sets him off though. Someone was running towards me with a shovel and Koda was full alert, hackles up and barking as a warning. The guy stopped running and kept his distance (thinking about it I'm not sure what he was doing haha!). The question is, would your dog protect you off his property in a unknown area?

If I was on leash with Koda and someone out of no where attacked me, I'm 100% sure he would attack them. If we're playing out in the field and he was playing and someone attacked me.. I don't know.. I think he would run haha. Inside my home? Oh yeah, you're on his turf and that's a given.

[Christie M]

Wow. That is hysterical!! Love that a 6th grader came up with it. Not so sure of the validity of the data

[CaroleBoaz]

I've seen that video before, it's so bogus!

I already know that my dogs will protect me (or themselves at least) when threatened. I guess I should say my BOYS will protect. My female will bark and run in circles. She's good at that. She's my alarm, she summons me while the boys stay outside and deal with the threat.

Both my boys are very friendly towards people. But they can tell when there's something wrong with somebody. They have also shown their "bravery" at a temperament test when they bad guy runs at the dog with a stick.

However, I am here to protect them. I would never want them to get in harms way. But they sure make a great deterrent.

[Drizlaru]

IMO, that is in no way a true test of if a trained or not trained dog will protect you. It's so far off the mark it's not even funny, and quite honestly I think it portrays an image that any dog trained to bite a sleeve will protect you, which is not the case. She had a good idea to come up with the video, but it was executed in a unrealistic and biased manner.

There are quite a few dogs that will go in for a quick bite for different reasons, however there are very few that will fight an attacker that is causing them pain. Finding a dog that will fight, and then properly training that dog is a huge task, and most people couldn't handle them anyway. In reality, dogs are only a deterrent and to slow them down till I can get to my gun.

[Lauren]

As the mother of a 6th grader I can tell you that this is a great way to do your project and promote your dad's dog training business....


So far Xena woud only protect me from this sweet, deaf neighbor. She always wears lots of flapping layers of bright clothing, gloves (her lack of balance causes her to fall a lot), and odd hats. She lurches about and loves to come up to talk (since she went deaf at 6 years old she is able to speak), weaving and stumbling and talking very loudly. She loves dogs, but scares Xena to death. Xena has no problem barking, growling and lunging at her. We are going to work on that this week.

[Schlussdibusti]

however there are very few that will fight an attacker that is causing them pain. Finding a dog that will fight, and then properly training that dog is a huge task, and most people couldn't handle them anyway. In reality, dogs are only a deterrent and to slow them down till I can get to my gun.

I second that.

[leih merigian]

I agree with Drizlaru.

I still had to laugh at the promotional video...standing in front of that van with all that advertising on it

I think a lot of people are deceiving themselves if they think their dogs would protect (i.e., fight) an attacker. They are great deterrents, but to truly be able to have the courage and ability to fight an attacker? I don't think so.

Besides that, I wouldn't want my dog going up against a gun, knife or tire iron.

However, if a bad guy sees a person with a K9-looking kind of dog, I do think, in general, they're going to pick a different target.

[Dutchringgirl]

however there are very few that will fight an attacker that is causing them pain. Finding a dog that will fight, and then properly training that dog is a huge task, and most people couldn't handle them anyway. In reality, dogs are only a deterrent and to slow them down till I can get to my gun.

I second that.

I third that

Thalie is trained on a sleeve, that was a big question , will a sleeve dog bite skin. No. They may bite but then pull off because the feel is foreign to them, unless they are trained to bite skin.

First off, would someone go up to a girl with a GS anyway? No one comes up to me with Thalie. She is scarey with her tail wagging. She would bark on command, bite? doubt it. Sadie, she would bark at the person and If they kept coming in a thretening way, she would do something, what I dont know yet, she dosnt either, but when I am out and someone comes up, she gets defensive .

[kchristy]

Wow. There are so many things wrong with this video, but hey way to go on promoting a business. Merlin can tell how I feel about people and acts accordingly. I'm not going to pretend that he would eat their faces off, but he would intimidate the crud out of someone, like it was stated above, until I got my pistol. Never would I dream of wanting Merlin to go against someone with a weapon. He has people who come to our house and yard fooled that he would take them down and to me that means something. Who knows what he would really do, but I think this person would be surprised. Either way he is family to us and I would hope we would never have to find out.

[Marjolein]

As the mother of a 6th grader I can tell you that this is a great way to do your project and promote your dad's dog training business....

whaha, I was thinking just that!

[Drizlaru]

I'm sure most everyone here knows that a dogs first instinct with a percieved threat is an aggressive display , then avoidance. More often then not, probably 80% of dogs will go into avoidance when the threat doesn't go away OR the threat fights back after a bite. If the dog can't avoid then they go into defense, this is where the adrenaline "fight or flight" mode kicks in. Working a dog in defense is extremely tricky, and many dogs just plain shouldn't be for a list of reasons. A SchH or ring sport decoy is viewed as a play partner (or should be), and not a threat. When they bite the sleeve, or body suit, it's all a game.

Some of the consequences of working a dog in defense that shouldn't be - Dog becomes reactive towards people, or certain types of people, the triggers can vary. The dogs warning signs go away, giving a growl or bark before an attempted bite now just goes to a bite with no warning. The dogs ability to cope with stress becomes a trigger for aggressive behavior. Dogs are quicker to go for a bite then they were previously, not as much warning or very little. Dogs can become fearful, suspicious, and anxious around people when they weren't previously. The threshold for aggressive behavior is severely diminished, and may start being aggressive towards other dogs or people in different ways (becomes food aggressive, possessive, territorially aggressive when they weren't before, aggressive towards touch etc). Those are a few reasons.

Now theres the other end of the spectrum with the dog that loves the rough play, wants the bite as a very satisfying self-reward, and has the drive, self-confidence, and nerves to face an unknown without a display of fearful behavior or postering. I think probably the sure sign of a real PPD is the more stress, anxiety, and threat you can put onto a dog, the harder and more driven he becomes. Including even the desire, want, and need to fight with the attacker through pain and injury to itself.

I'm sure some of the people around here have seen the type at one time or another. (about half the police dogs you see fit that description, I've seen a few police K9's hide behind their handler )

[GSDNanny]

The sign on our door says "Warning, working dog on premises." But if someone comes in first to greet them is the Aussie who would say, come on in I'll show you around while I kiss you to death, wiggling my butt uncontrollably, while in wait are his buddies, the Cattle Dog and Dutch. No warning barks here. The DS has not actually had an unsolicited bite other than on sleeve/suit but the little harmless-looking always smiling Cattle Dog has. She senses insanity in people and animals. Hence, a while ago my crazy neighbor (certifiably crazy, now) was banging on my front door and kitchen window at the front with a small igloo. She saw me at the kitchen sink. Her freezer was out and she wanted some ice, so she proceeds in the front door swinging around the igloo in her normal frantic state. The Cattle Dog quietly approached and took a full bite on the thigh and then sat down. I didnt even see it happen as I had not made it to the door yet. The Dutch was put up in her room. Now this is the same Cattle Dog who shares snacks with the toddler grandkids and loves everyone.

[Christie M]

I guess that I am in the minority. I believe that most dogs need to be taught that it is OK to engage in a confrontation and bite for real. But I also believe that there are other dogs who are bred to have true aggression and who will bite, and fight for real. Its not the average dog, but I think they do exist.

[felixone123]

- I love that cattle dog. probably was not funny at the time, but it is funny reading it.

[GSDNanny]

I was so afraid for my Cattle dog and a potential law suit, but I smoozed the neighbor til the statutes of limitation passed. Whew! It was so out of character for this dog as she goes anywhere with no problems, is a quiet, laid-back girl, not dog or people aggressive, adores children. Thank goodness my Dutch was not out in the house though. We dont lock doors here if you are wondering. Any fool that comes in uninvited, well....you get the picture.

[GSDNanny]

In this video I see some discrepancy. Are the 'trained' dogs supposed to be protection trained and not sport dogs? My limited knowledge reveals that a true PPD is trained to go for the weapon arm to disable the perpetrator, right? Like most stated here, very few dogs have the fight in them to take a beating while holding attached to the non-threatening arm.